Winter Palace

[Vllth]

Till this mission i loved the game ....now i feel bad taste in my mouth.

[EA Latium]

Try a different approach, you may get a different outcome.

[wtiger27]

I did not like that place at all. Was very annoying, having to keep a eye on your court approval and still explore. Pain in the ass. I finished it with only about 7 approval left. lol!

If we are talking about the same quest.

I also do not like zones or dungeons/ caves which has a ton of multiple levels one has to navigate thru.

[Alistair]

I loved it. Felt way different than the rest of the game.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Shadowfox:

I loved it. Felt way different than the rest of the game.

I would have enjoyed it if it did not have the "court approval" crap. With that in the quest, I just wanted to hurry up and get the damn quest done.

[Guts]

Start of the mission: Oh, cool, a court intrigue murder mystery
Literally 5 minutes in: They made a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ collection quest where I have to collect ALL the stupid hidden horsies or I don't get to complete my goal. It's not going to be wits, decisions, or careful diplomacy. It boils down to how many my little ponies I can find.
2 hours later: ♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ collection quest there's been 2 fights and I obviously just danced with the bad guy who I knew was the assassin the second I walked into the ballroom. I'm definitely not getting 30 secrets because there's no way the reward is worth it, and WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥ IT'S JUST 2 MORE HIDDEN ITEM FETCH QUESTS that's it I'm finishing this story and getting out.

[EA Latium]

Originally posted by N473:

Start of the mission: Oh, cool, a court intrigue murder mystery
Literally 5 minutes in: They made a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ collection quest where I have to collect ALL the stupid hidden horsies or I don't get to complete my goal. It's not going to be wits, decisions, or careful diplomacy. It boils down to how many my little ponies I can find.
2 hours later: ♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ collection quest there's been 2 fights and I obviously just danced with the bad guy who I knew was the assassin the second I walked into the ballroom. I'm definitely not getting 30 secrets because there's no way the reward is worth it, and WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥ IT'S JUST 2 MORE HIDDEN ITEM FETCH QUESTS that's it I'm finishing this story and getting out.

You don't need to collect them all, you just need to find the various clues and decide who to support, all the rest is optional; they all have different plans. The Coins can be used in the fountain to gain more time. It's the only quest of this kind.

[Vllth]

Still any on time quests or jumping puzzles with bad controls anoying.

[Guts]

Originally posted by EA Latium:

You don't need to collect them all, you just need to find the various clues and decide who to support, all the rest is optional; they all have different plans. The Coins can be used in the fountain to gain more time. It's the only quest of this kind.

If you want to reunite the elf and the empiress as well as getting a truce, you need to get 9/10 horses AND you can't waste any by mistake. Which is a real pain going into the quest blind, since there's no way to figure any of that out, and they hide one of the statues in an area that gets blocked off for most of the quest before it's even apparent you'll need them. This is seriously bad game design at every turn.

Saying something is optional doesn't make it a good idea. If it's optional but this tedious, AND a waste of a great concept, I really don't know how anyone could defend it. Like maybe they make what you say matter more than just getting you potentially kicked out of the party. Get you really involved in "The Game" by making it so you can have a slip of the tongue that gets your plans foiled, or if you say something clever it gets you more information. But, no. I have to find horse statues to unlock two particular vaults without knowing which would be the right one for my playthrough before unlocking them. For a person going in blind, they basically have to get all the horses, then quicksave before each vault to make sure they get the outcome they want, because this is a story driven game where we're supposed to be able to make choices. Not just randomly blackmail whoever happens to hide their secrets in the vault that requires less friendship power to open.

[EA Latium]

Just to clarify, I'm not a fan of collections either (nor of the jumping puzzles like Vllth said), I just wanted to highlight that there are different paths to follow, as it might not be evident at first for some new players.

Personally I loved the quest per se, but it could have been much better without these elements, using the various dialogues and choices to uncover secrets would have been more immersive. Like I said luckily the other quests are different.

[glevesque1]

I can't figure out where the hell those halla statues are!! I've been in all the areas that don't require those dame statues and I can't figure out where the other 8 are! How are you supposed to FIND them when they are apparently behind locked doors? You can't change characters either to unlock the one locked door that supposedly can be picked! Doesn't matter anyway, this damned mission is one big STINKER ! and I HATE IT !!! I quit the first game because I was stuck in this damn mission and now it looks like i'm going to have to kick this game in the butt and start a new one , AGAIN ! Avoid this damn MISSION !!!!

[Alistair]

Originally posted by glevesque1:

Avoid this damn MISSION !!!!

Yeah you can't avoid this mission because it's part of the main quest.

[RedRobed]

It's a small part of the game. Choke it down via speed run and move on. You don't even need to rush, hell. Just get booted out by letting your approval hit 0. Mission done. Especially since the outcome obviously doesn't matter enough to you to put in an amount of effort for a desired result. "I wanna win the game without trying."

If that's what you want, go play overwatch, or Lego games.

As a side note, if you really were the type to stick to a save. You would have no issues keeping your result of opening the wrong door. In character and out of character oops. Suck it up.

Don't bother responding. I won't.

[Vllth]

Originally posted by RedRobed:

It's a small part of the game. Choke it down via speed run and move on. You don't even need to rush, hell. Just get booted out by letting your approval hit 0. Mission done. Especially since the outcome obviously doesn't matter enough to you to put in an amount of effort for a desired result. "I wanna win the game without trying."

If that's what you want, go play overwatch, or Lego games.

As a side note, if you really were the type to stick to a save. You would have no issues keeping your result of opening the wrong door. In character and out of character oops. Suck it up.

Don't bother responding. I won't.

A bit angry from your part and personal .

[Ogami]

I managed to reach 100% court. With a female Qunari Warrior.
Its really not that hard. That was on my first playthrough a few years back.

[Guts]

It's not hard. It's just a boring fetch quest lightly disguised as court intrigue. That's the problem people have with it. It could have been so much more than a fetch quest with an arbitrary, yet easy timer.