Knowing they're losing money, why is there so much anti-whiteism in this game?

[Merlin]

It's a simple question.

Update: For those that don't understand anything I suggest you look deeper into sims code, and go hunt a few articles.

[Piperbird]

Postat inițial de Merlin:

How interesting you are quick to label me as a fascist. Seems to be the trend against white people speaking out. I'm not allowed to voice my opinion, but you can defame me publicly without consequence. There are examples all over, not my fault that you are one of "them," and can't see it. This woke movement is costing companies billions and they are starting to reverse the rolls because they see that catering to a minority is the wrong choice. I have no issues with color, I do have issues when it's being shoved and forced down our throats as if we are supposed to feel guilty for something. If you buttheads don't want to do the research that's not my problem.

Now on with the ban, im sure someone here is butt-hurt already.

But you aren't speaking out or voicing your opinion. You've made a claim you refuse to back when asked. And instead of clarifying, you've resorted to name calling, being vague, and throwing the standard 'research' line out there.

Tell us what EXACTLY you think is an issue here.

[Xeriath]

Postat inițial de Piperbird:

No no no no no there's enough 'waaaa everything isn't straight white men only these days waaaaaa' over in the BG3 forums. Please don't send another troll over.

Its rather sad that you get this topic in almost all new games which give more options. I remember still the time how games almost only showed woman as fragile, or she was oversexualized main character. Diversity was almost not there in this game and it was rare to see something other as a white NPC. All men were straight, all women were bisexual (if the player play a women) and something other as example trans/gay never existed.

As a kid I got many problems because how women got portrayed in game/media. Always thinking I was ugly, to fat and my head was not right because of my thinking. I had a friend which had darker skin color. People always thought, she was a kind of villain. She got a lot of hate in this time just because she was born in the wrong skin color. She was a very lovely/smart person.

Sorry, this was a little OT. It just makes me sad that some people can’t accept change. People maybe hate it but its still important, even if company only do this because of money.

[Xenon The Noble]

Short answer: Household tool. You're not hurting anyone with it. You can play the game your way. That works for everyone.

[James3157]

Postat inițial de Xeriath:

Its rather sad that you get this topic in almost all new games which give more options. I remember still the time how games almost only showed woman as fragile, or she was oversexualized main character. Diversity was almost not there in this game and it was rare to see something other as a white NPC. All men were straight, all women were bisexual (if the player play a women) and something other as example trans/gay never existed.

As a kid I got many problems because how women got portrayed in game/media. Always thinking I was ugly, to fat and my head was not right because of my thinking. I had a friend which had darker skin color. People always thought, she was a kind of villain. She got a lot of hate in this time just because she was born in the wrong skin color. She was a very lovely/smart person.

Sorry, this was a little OT. It just makes me sad that some people can’t accept change. People maybe hate it but its still important, even if company only do this because of money.

Some sims households from dlc are gay by default even if you never play with them such as the gay couples from Brindleton Bay, Henford-On-Bagley, and now Tomerang as well. Also, contrary to lilsimsie who hardly ever plays with male sims besides teens and younger except Stanley and straight sims anymore, the youtuber James Turner has played with gay sims before. As for transgenders and non binary sims (which apparently some non binary sims are also transgender such as Ash Harjo and Jay Robles for example might be transgender sims in addition to being non binary) I am not sure how many people actually play around with those features if I were to be completely honest and I have no interest in playing with those type of sims for myself personally, but you will find them on the gallery if you look hard enough from the search menu. Obviously, some people almost exclusively play with female sims as the main character for teens and older, but for me in contrast (contrary to SatchonSims, lilsimsie, and etc...) I am the opposite where I love playing with both genders on The SIms 4 even if it seems like the male sims are lacking in some ways even with tons of dlc. A little off topic about a thread that was originally about race, but some people who play The SIms 4 are only interested in playing with straight sims (but not necessarily only just playing with white sims) and are not interested in playing with the LGBT+ related stuff that often despite it being available as an option for inclusive related stuff even if some of the random townie sims are lesbian, gay, or bisexual as well.

[indigo]

Or you just delete and replace them. Simple enough.

[James3157]

Postat inițial de indigo:

Or you just delete and replace them. Simple enough.

Too much work especially for people who already own lots of dlc and lots of worlds. Just simply accept that The Sims 4 was intended for diversity and not only just for playing with white sims. Also, not all Native Americans and Hispanics are white in real life. There are for example some Native Americans who either have slightly dark skin color similar to Hispanics that is not light enough to be considered white or even black.

The same is also true for including black sims and Asian sims as well not necessarily being Caucasian/white. And then of course mixed race sims need to be factored in as well. There is also only one household popular on the gallery specifically labeled as Black Lives Matter, but could just as easily be ignored by not adding that from the gallery.

[indigo]

Postat inițial de James3157:

The same is also true for including black sims and Asian sims as well not necessarily being Caucasian/white. And then of course mixed race sims need to be factored in as well. There is also only one household popular on the gallery specifically labeled as Black Lives Matter, but could just as easily be ignored by not adding that from the gallery.

Well, since you brought it up. Not all "white" people are Caucasian, no matter what any governmental agency says. "Caucasian" people only come from the Caucus region, which is south of Russia and north of Turkey and Iran. Not all "white" folks are Caucasian.

But to your point, no, it is not a lot of work, unless you count clicking a "download" button, followed by double-clicking a download, completing an installation, then running SimsReplacer, selecting which sims you want replaced, and selecting from a few options to generate new ones. All in all, takes less than 2 minutes, and you can then be as "inclusive" or "exclusive" as you wish, and no one needs to know you did it, and their feels will be just fine not knowing.

[James3157]

Postat inițial de indigo:

Well, since you brought it up. Not all "white" people are Caucasian, no matter what any governmental agency says. "Caucasian" people only come from the Caucus region, which is south of Russia and north of Turkey and Iran. Not all "white" folks are Caucasian.

But to your point, no, it is not a lot of work, unless you count clicking a "download" button, followed by double-clicking a download, completing an installation, then running SimsReplacer, selecting which sims you want replaced, and selecting from a few options to generate new ones. All in all, takes less than 2 minutes, and you can then be as "inclusive" or "exclusive" as you wish, and no one needs to know you did it, and their feels will be just fine not knowing.

That is true actually. Some Hispanics and Native Americans are white; although, it is worth pointing out that many Hispanics are at least partially Caucasian even if they do not look white. Some Asians outside of the Caucus region are also either white or look similar to white but a different shade than white such as olive/slightly yellow skin color for example. However, on the flip side to Asians people native to Thailand, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia are neither black or white, except for part of India having a black Indian population that is considered to be a minority. Overall, only Caucasians are usually considered white, but more debatable for Hispanics, Native Americans, Asians, and people from the Middle East (North Africa and part of Asia).

[Xenon The Noble]

Postat inițial de indigo:

Or you just delete and replace them. Simple enough.

And that's what the household tool is for. You can play with the sims you want to play with. Want gay sims? Make more! Want straight sims? Make more! Make them how you like! if you want to play a game with just Japanese, you can do that too. It's a game, you're not hurting anyone.

[James3157]

My point is that The SIms 4 is more complicated than only just black vs white. There is also in between shades of black and white as well when it comes to skin color. Merlin only specifically mentioned black vs. white, but said nothing about Asian sims, Native American sims, Hispanic sims, biracial sims, and Middle Eastern Sims. It is not a simple question.

[Sovereign Dark]

Postat inițial de Merlin:

Postat inițial de Sovereign Dark:

Can you give examples of anti-whiteism in this game?



Where? What are we all meant to see in TS4 which is definitively and everywhere anti-white?

I didn't want to mess with this but..look, @Merlin, I'll be objective. If you can give valid examples..personally, I wouldn't deny you these.
If you claim there's anti-whiteism--all over the game--but present no examples (zero of which you've yet given), all you manage to do is come over as a fascist.
If that's your aim, ignore as done to previous comments and we'll nevermind each other.

How interesting you are quick to label me as a fascist. Seems to be the trend against white people speaking out. I'm not allowed to voice my opinion, but you can defame me publicly without consequence. There are examples all over, not my fault that you are one of "them," and can't see it. This woke movement is costing companies billions and they are starting to reverse the rolls because they see that catering to a minority is the wrong choice. I have no issues with color, I do have issues when it's being shoved and forced down our throats as if we are supposed to feel guilty for something. If you buttheads don't want to do the research that's not my problem.

Now on with the ban, im sure someone here is butt-hurt already.

..... What the full-scale f**k was that?

Again. Stating you only manage to 'come over as' such IF YOU CLAIM BUT OFFER NO EXAMPLES does not accuse you of 'being' such. I don't know you. If anything, I'd rather accuse you of lacking reading comprehension.

Again. You've still given ZERO EXAMPLES. It's your original post, your question, your issue. No one's doing any research for you, dear. Sorry.

I play occults, so perhaps I'm missing your anti-whiteist vision. Here are a few examples of examples explaining where I do NOT see it:
1. Realm Of Magic--On release, all three Sages within the magic realm are white.
2. Vampires--On release, three primary NPC vampires (Vlad Straud and both Vatore twins) are white.
3. White sims are featured in the Werewolves pack, as well. Let's say you chuck Lou Howell and Celene (the bartender) in a house together and marry them. Offspring will turn out white.
4. As for other NPCs on releases, many families are mixed. Although, they include white sims. The Landgraabs are white. The Munches (and both ladies next door) are white. The Bjergsens are white. (I believe the greater majority of Windenberg houses white NPCs.) Eliza Pancakes is white. If you use a mod or cheats to make Bob go away, perhaps she can pursue erm, dunno..Johnny Zest who's white or J Huntington III who's white. Mortimer Goth is still white. If you make Bella disappear again, his white options are open. Judith Ward is also white (You can change her awful ways. I believe in you!). Tina Tinker is white..and a lesbian, but hey.. in Sims 4, you're the Burger King and you can have it your way.

Anyway. I'm sure I've missed a number of other white NPCs but have a look at the comments. Users are suggesting precise answers/solutions to your question/issue which you could implement in your own Sims 4 game. Isn't that marvellous?

Edit: I don't care for Eco Lifestyle so I'd forgotten to mention the Harris family is white..there are other white sims in Evergreen Harbour as well. Oh! Strangerville!..fair bit of white.

[Merlin]

Postat inițial de Deadite:

well packs are normally theme based and they're trying to cover around the world and give players the options for items to design a place they can relate to.

If you're talking about the covers not showing white people then that's a you problem. They have been but been showing a lot of biracial couples which pretty much is to show people can have they're skin colour in game. This isn't new, it's the sims.

Absolutely not the case. You're nit picking dumb things. Look around a little deeper. Yes that requires you to actually look.

[Merlin]

Postat inițial de Sovereign Dark:

Postat inițial de Merlin:

How interesting you are quick to label me as a fascist. Seems to be the trend against white people speaking out. I'm not allowed to voice my opinion, but you can defame me publicly without consequence. There are examples all over, not my fault that you are one of "them," and can't see it. This woke movement is costing companies billions and they are starting to reverse the rolls because they see that catering to a minority is the wrong choice. I have no issues with color, I do have issues when it's being shoved and forced down our throats as if we are supposed to feel guilty for something. If you buttheads don't want to do the research that's not my problem.

Now on with the ban, im sure someone here is butt-hurt already.

:PrisonerDeadpan:..... What the full-scale f**k was that?

Again. Stating you only manage to 'come over as' such IF YOU CLAIM BUT OFFER NO EXAMPLES does not accuse you of 'being' such. I don't know you. If anything, I'd rather accuse you of lacking reading comprehension.

Again. You've still given ZERO EXAMPLES. It's your original post, your question, your issue. No one's doing any research for you, dear. Sorry.

I play occults, so perhaps I'm missing your anti-whiteist vision. Here are a few examples of examples explaining where I do NOT see it:
1. Realm Of Magic--On release, all three Sages within the magic realm are white.
2. Vampires--On release, three primary NPC vampires (Vlad Straud and both Vatore twins) are white.
3. White sims are featured in the Werewolves pack, as well. Let's say you chuck Lou Howell and Celene (the bartender) in a house together and marry them. Offspring will turn out white.
4. As for other NPCs on releases, many families are mixed. Although, they include white sims. The Landgraabs are white. The Munches (and both ladies next door) are white. The Bjergsens are white. (I believe the greater majority of Windenberg houses white NPCs.) Eliza Pancakes is white. If you use a mod or cheats to make Bob go away, perhaps she can pursue erm, dunno..Johnny Zest who's white or J Huntington III who's white. Mortimer Goth is still white. If you make Bella disappear again, his white options are open. Judith Ward is also white (You can change her awful ways. I believe in you!). Tina Tinker is white..and a lesbian, but hey.. in Sims 4, you're the Burger King and you can have it your way.

Anyway. I'm sure I've missed a number of other white NPCs but have a look at the comments. Users are suggesting precise answers/solutions to your question/issue which you could implement in your own Sims 4 game. Isn't that marvellous?

Edit: I don't care for Eco Lifestyle so I'd forgotten to mention the Harris family is white..there are other white sims in Evergreen Harbour as well. Oh! Strangerville!..fair bit of white.

I know what I can and can't do, that's not the point. You're not looking AT ALL! Look around you IRL for a change. Look at new movies, commercials, advertisements, listen to what political leaders are saying, how can you be so blind and arrogant to not see what is happening? I don't need to show examples. Wake the F up and move out of your little lefty bed for a change and see what is happening to the world. It's on fire and it all started with this woke nonsense and if you'd "ACTUALLY" had done some research you'd know that this company and many others are losing money because of all this. It has NOTHING to do with color. You're not paying attention. That's sad.

[Merlin]

Postat inițial de James3157:

Postat inițial de Xeriath:

Its rather sad that you get this topic in almost all new games which give more options. I remember still the time how games almost only showed woman as fragile, or she was oversexualized main character. Diversity was almost not there in this game and it was rare to see something other as a white NPC. All men were straight, all women were bisexual (if the player play a women) and something other as example trans/gay never existed.

As a kid I got many problems because how women got portrayed in game/media. Always thinking I was ugly, to fat and my head was not right because of my thinking. I had a friend which had darker skin color. People always thought, she was a kind of villain. She got a lot of hate in this time just because she was born in the wrong skin color. She was a very lovely/smart person.

Sorry, this was a little OT. It just makes me sad that some people can’t accept change. People maybe hate it but its still important, even if company only do this because of money.

Some sims households from dlc are gay by default even if you never play with them such as the gay couples from Brindleton Bay, Henford-On-Bagley, and now Tomerang as well. Also, contrary to lilsimsie who hardly ever plays with male sims besides teens and younger except Stanley and straight sims anymore, the youtuber James Turner has played with gay sims before. As for transgenders and non binary sims (which apparently some non binary sims are also transgender such as Ash Harjo and Jay Robles for example might be transgender sims in addition to being non binary) I am not sure how many people actually play around with those features if I were to be completely honest and I have no interest in playing with those type of sims for myself personally, but you will find them on the gallery if you look hard enough from the search menu. Obviously, some people almost exclusively play with female sims as the main character for teens and older, but for me in contrast (contrary to SatchonSims, lilsimsie, and etc...) I am the opposite where I love playing with both genders on The SIms 4 even if it seems like the male sims are lacking in some ways even with tons of dlc. A little off topic about a thread that was originally about race, but some people who play The SIms 4 are only interested in playing with straight sims (but not necessarily only just playing with white sims) and are not interested in playing with the LGBT+ related stuff that often despite it being available as an option for inclusive related stuff even if some of the random townie sims are lesbian, gay, or bisexual as well.

That's my other point--why are they pushing this gay agenda on us? The trans movement? They are removing normal things and adding things that are not normal. It's normalizing poor moral standards. If you'd guys (IDGAF about pronouns so excuse me) would actually go outside your boxes and step on the other side for a change you'd notice the dirt and bugs and nasty stuff under the rock nobody wants to look under. It's infecting every aspect of our lives, and I'd had hoped it wouldn't have touched gaming!

"They will call good bad, and bad good." We are definitely in the end times.

[James3157]

Postat inițial de Merlin:

That's my other point--why are they pushing this gay agenda on us? The trans movement? They are removing normal things and adding things that are not normal. It's normalizing poor moral standards. If you'd guys (IDGAF about pronouns so excuse me) would actually go outside your boxes and step on the other side for a change you'd notice the dirt and bugs and nasty stuff under the rock nobody wants to look under. It's infecting every aspect of our lives, and I'd had hoped it wouldn't have touched gaming!

"They will call good bad, and bad good." We are definitely in the end times.

I think that perhaps we can agree in some ways such as me overall preferring to play with straight sims who are normal on The Sims 4 (although, I will admit that I do sometimes play with occult sims on The SIms 4 even if I play with normal sims most of the time instead of occult sims) and obviously not everyone who plays The Sims 4 supports Black Lives Matter despite it being only one household popular from the gallery, but the problem is you started a very controversial topic by calling The Sims 4 anti-white and falsely claiming that The Sims 4 will lose money as if it is going to fall just like Sim City and EA and Maxis did not learn there lesson from the mistake they made with that game. The truth about The SIms 4 is that there are many different ways to play it, making a claim that The Sims 4 is anti-white might be biased where Laurent Collins is the most popular sim on the gallery who is white, it is a fantasy game that is not entirely based on reality that is perhaps for the intent of escapism, there is no simple answer to which which races are actually considered "white" that are not limited to only just Caucasians, and if The Sims 4 had actually failed it would have ended much earlier just like The Sims 3 (although many people still prefer this game over The Sims 4 and not a dead game yet) that lasted for only five years until The Sims 4 came out.