New Update Review - infants are terrible!

[Angela]

They are worse than toddlers, inserting themselves into every queue you try to set up.

I thought toddlers were annoying, but these guys just will not let any adult do anything you want them to do, it's constant calls to be picked up -just so they can bite their caregiver- constant check infant and diaper change. Crying and fussing, all causing caregiver to drop what they were doing to check on the infant.

I even had a sim who was busy at work get the urge to go check on their infant to change diapers. The popup for sim skipping work appeared...and that sim was about 80% of way through their work day and already at work!

On top of this, they leave a massive pile of used nappies and empty baby bottles in their wake.

The way queues work right now, just

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Newborns are bad too! My first night (unfortunately, with wins) my sims can't even make it through a few hours of sleep before their queues are FULL of 'crying baby'. Each kid's diaper needs to be changed about once every two hours, and they are CONSTANTLY crying. I get that it might be a bit realistic... but its CHAOS for the rest of my sims.

[76561198213095365]

Maybe EA should have added preteens instead of infants. If I was not using the grim reaper as a single parent whose needs surprisingly do not decay besides fun (which it is important to keep in mind that my grim reaper did not have any rewards that reduce the requirement need for eating, sleeping, and etc...) I would have a much harder time trying to raise seven infants. Also, even when they do age up they only get the negative toddler trait instead of positive toddler trait or no new trait at all. I have not noticed any added skills yet either when my infants are aged up from infant to toddler on normal lifespan. James Turner had a few infants get a positive infant trait when aged up in addition to an added skill when aged up, but I have not experienced this yet. Not only are infants hard, but they also might need extra help as well especially for a single parent such as a maid, nanny, or butler for example. I literally had almost no time to do anything fun with my grim reaper besides constantly needing to take care of 7 infants which was challenging for me even with a nanny. Contrary to what some people might think the least fun lifestage on the Sims 4 in my personal opinion is not elder, child, or toddler, but infants.

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Has social bunny always been bugged? My sims keep talking about pillow fights that never happened...

[Miss.Opossum]

These infants 100% need to be nerfed.
I had twins my first time playing (lucky me) and one was crying in the crib and the other was happily playing on the floor. Crying baby was stinky so i cued my mommy sim to change the crying kid’s diaper (won’t even touch on diapers rn) my sim just stood at the crib, stared at the stinky crying child for about ten in game minutes, then turned around and checked on the unbothered child. I get they upped the autotomy to prevent neglected babies, but GOD GIVE ME CONTROL DAMN IT.

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This is SO buggy already... went into create-a-sim after my newborns aged up and found I couldn't edit them. I come back and I have lost DAYS of progress, my newborns have reverted to a weird, bright-white colored state that I can't age up... CMON SIMS

[Angela]

Originally posted by Miss.Opossum:

These infants 100% need to be nerfed.
I had twins my first time playing (lucky me) and one was crying in the crib and the other was happily playing on the floor. Crying baby was stinky so i cued my mommy sim to change the crying kid’s diaper (won’t even touch on diapers rn) my sim just stood at the crib, stared at the stinky crying child for about ten in game minutes, then turned around and checked on the unbothered child. I get they upped the autotomy to prevent neglected babies, but GOD GIVE ME CONTROL DAMN IT.

With toddlers I've witnessed a circle of queued action fail due to toddler demands overriding -every single already queued action- where one toddler asks for a bath - that's awesome right? Now sim picks toddler up walks to bath and goes to bathe them, plops toddler in bath then...another toddler has demanded a bath! Now toddler already in the bath gets interrupted by queue changes in the adult sim trying to bathe toddler and OUT COMES THE TODDLER still all stinky as adult goes over to latest toddler demanding a bath and picks that toddler up to take it to bath, then puts toddler into bath but RUH ROH another toddler is now demanding a bath! So the second toddler gets plucked out of bath still stinky as adult's queue ONCE AGAIN GETS AUTO INTERRUPTED AND CHANGED BY A DAMN TODDLER. This can go on endlessly as all the toddlers demand baths interrupting the other toddlers getting bathed with their magically powerful queue interrupters.

The queues need to let us control them 100% so we can choose if something gets removed from queue or stays there. If only a modder could figure out how to make queue lockers or something...

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Originally posted by Angela:

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With toddlers I've witnessed a circle of queued action fail due to toddler demands overriding -every single already queued action- where one toddler asks for a bath - that's awesome right? Now sim picks toddler up walks to bath and goes to bathe them, plops toddler in bath then...another toddler has demanded a bath! Now toddler already in the bath gets interrupted by queue changes in the adult sim trying to bathe toddler and OUT COMES THE TODDLER still all stinky as adult goes over to latest toddler demanding a bath and picks that toddler up to take it to bath, then puts toddler into bath but RUH ROH another toddler is now demanding a bath! So the second toddler gets plucked out of bath still stinky as adult's queue ONCE AGAIN GETS AUTO INTERRUPTED AND CHANGED BY A DAMN TODDLER. This can go on endlessly as all the toddlers demand baths interrupting the other toddlers getting bathed with their magically powerful queue interrupters.

The queues need to let us control them 100% so we can choose if something gets removed from queue or stays there. If only a modder could figure out how to make queue lockers or something...

And I thought that only infants were going to be annoying. Also, before this infant update there was never any long queue for toddler sims. I think that what EA is doing to trying to force us to micromanage more even with full autonomy being turned on.

I also have to keep on cancelling out interactions, because of the high demands from both toddlers and especially infants. I get what EA intentionally tried to do and that is give more personality to toddlers and the new infant lifestage where they are supposed to be less boring, but it also adds a lot more chaos in the mix as well where it might be hard for some people to manage, might be more time consuming when adding both infants and toddlers into the mix, and will require a considerable amount of time in getting used to as well. I do not think that the long que from infants and toddlers is a bug, but an intended new feature from EA.

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Also, try to imagine how much harder the 100 baby challenge is going to be from now on where it could be a pain and potentially time consuming to make 100 babies, because of a single mother or father having to raise 7 infants/toddlers and all of them at the same time as well where you would constantly have to cancel out interactions from the demands of toddlers and infants.

[Angela]

Originally posted by davidnoble1996:

Also, try to imagine how much harder the 100 baby challenge is going to be from now on where it would be a pain and potentially time consuming to make 100 babies, because of a single mother or father having to raise 7 infants/toddlers and all of them at the same time as well where you would constantly have to cancel out interactions from the demands of toddlers and infants.

You can't keep the interactions cancelled quickly enough. It's nearly impossible, the speed those infants insert multiple demands into an adult sim's queue is quite something!

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Originally posted by Angela:

You can't keep the interactions cancelled quickly enough. It's nearly impossible, the speed those infants insert multiple demands into an adult sim's queue is quite something!

I found out one way to do it, but it not going to be fun. Having to frequently pause the game for cancelling out all demands from infants and toddlers.

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Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by davidnoble1996:

Also, try to imagine how much harder the 100 baby challenge is going to be from now on where it would be a pain and potentially time consuming to make 100 babies, because of a single mother or father having to raise 7 infants/toddlers and all of them at the same time as well where you would constantly have to cancel out interactions from the demands of toddlers and infants.

You can't keep the interactions cancelled quickly enough. It's nearly impossible, the speed those infants insert multiple demands into an adult sim's queue is quite something!

You confused me from your previous comment. Are you only referring to infants or "both" infants and toddlers? They are not the same lifestage.

[Angela]

Originally posted by davidnoble1996:

Originally posted by Angela:

You can't keep the interactions cancelled quickly enough. It's nearly impossible, the speed those infants insert multiple demands into an adult sim's queue is quite something!

I found out one way to do it, but it not going to be fun. Having to frequently pause the game for cancelling out all demands from infants and toddlers.

The queue system needs a rework. We need to be able to lock queued actions (great for trying to actually finish feeding or bathing some infant/toddler) and nothing should be able to just insert itself between any queued action we have added manually (hey we could maybe actually get the adult sim's work needs done before they collapse).

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Originally posted by Angela:

Originally posted by davidnoble1996:

The queue system needs a rework. We need to be able to lock queued actions (great for trying to actually finish feeding or bathing some infant/toddler) and nothing should be able to just insert itself between any queued action we have added manually (hey we could maybe actually get the adult sim's work needs done before they collapse).

At this rate it is impossible to take care of seven infants from a single parent without help from a nanny/maid and without cheating. There is also Bonehilda, Butler, and Patchy as well that might help out, but they are NPC characters completely locked behind dlc packs. As for toddlers I have not really spent enough time yet actually to find out if they have a long queue similar to infants. Hopefully, once the infant and maybe (although I am not 100% certain of this because I do not know if the long queue of demands only applies to infants or both infants and toddlers) toddler lifestages end the long queue of demands end there. Meaning that it does not apply to children and teens who are fully capable of taking care of themselves without needing help.

[Xautos]

glad to see that wretched autonomy has caused so much joy! hahaha xD

I'll keep the autonomy switched off from here on and manually deal with the trials and tribulations of newborns/infants/toddlers. if newborns aren't any different from before then it's not gonna be an issue looking out for them, also the same with toddlers. Infants are obviously the mystery here, so the sooner i figure them out the easier it will be to play them out.

just need to get my mods sorted out now.

[Xeriath]

I saw James Tuner 7 Infants challenge and the first was I recognize was that he’s queue got overwrite with demands from infants. He played with autonomy on and for selected sim off. It was hilarious because he’s queue got canceled from other infants. Its only stopped as he played as infants and request the thing from the infants. He still needed nanny and Kyle to work somehow.

I think I can wait before I got the infant god and my sims begin to cancel all actions. I just hope that it works with autonomy complete off. I am sure we get mods which make all these infant’s things easier.