The Sims™ 4

The Sims™ 4

DaniTheHero May 20, 2022 @ 10:17pm
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The Sims 4 is just boring, especially in Comparison to previous titles.
I'm sure this topic was discussed many many times, but after experiencing it myself I just have to vent this frustration away.

The Sims 4 is boring. It's really boring.

There's only a couple of things going for The Sims 4 and they are all on the visual side -

Building is nice, if you're the type of person that just enjoys making beautiful houses, furnishing them like a designer, staring at them a bit and repeat.

Creating the Sims themselves is pretty good. The system is fluid and varied though I do miss the Color wheel. I was slightly turned off by approach to gender, but Maxis was always on the "progressive" side so I honestly expected it to be there.

The graphics/visuals, even considering it's actually a 2014 released game, are good.
Sims 3 even when it was brand new always looked off for me.


Now when it comes to actual GAMEPLAY, which is the most important part, the game completely falls short in every aspect to both it's predecessors, the older one being over 18 years old now(Sims 2).

No World or story progression.
Only YOUR household matters in this universe, the lack of simulation of the world itself makes all the NPC's being completely background to the world. They don't have their own lives, randomly spawn at lots and locations without any actual reason. They don't really have relationships or reproduce. You sometimes get texts from them and you end up DECIDING if someone has a baby or makes a new friend. Not only is this quite rare and very random, but doesn't really matter. as they don't actually interact with each other in a distinct way.

The Sims have no real personalities, so they get along with everyone, will do everything, and don't care about anything.
You can set an aspiration for the Sim, completely ignore it, and they won't care at all. In The Sims 2, if I ignore my sim's wants and aspiration, or if they have their worst fears come true, they'll end up a depressed little pixel person having a mental breakdown on the floor. And that is AWESOME.
But in The Sims 4, they don't actually want anything. They don't fear anything. There's nothing to really motivate you to explore the Sims and their personalities. The traits are often one-dimensional, the aspirations are super linear. I actually really dislike having all of the tiered, small goals - I'd rather have a fortune Sim who wants to be super rich, and then I can get them there in a number of different ways... not by placing x amounts of columns in their house.
It is a simulation game - the characters should therefore be simulated. You set it up, press play, and see what happens. Not constantly try to make things happen with little to no input from the characters themselves.
We have the emotions system... okay, but, what fun is that if every sim has basically the same emotional response to events that happen in the game? And why is Nancy Landgraab diving in dumpsters? The game makes no sense, the characters have no depth, they are constantly performing actions that make no sense for their "character".

There's an endless amount of options in the 'friendly' tab, can reach like 5+ pages if you maxed a few skills, and they literally don't matter at all. Almost all of them always have the same result and serve no actual purpose. Everyone likes everyone and everything.

The romance is atrocious. You can romance ANYONE in mere minutes.
That person is in a relationship/married? Doesn't matter, just flirt a couple of times get to about quarter of the pink bar and there you go, you can woohoo in the shower.
Can have an endless amount of partners with no real drawback as well, impregnate every woman in town(Including the married ones) while you're at it, because nobody actually cares. They will raise your kid for you no problem as well. No responsibility yey!.

Too many activities are "Rabbitholes", and even the few ones that aren't (Like the acting career) are the exact same tasks every single time

The AI in the game is terrible and there's endless amount of bugs. Nothing seems to work as "intended". Sims constantly take a meal and eat it as far as possible from the fridge or nearest desk, sometimes going all the way to a far away bed.
The constantly sit up or get up during conversation commands, do push ups everywhere and dozens of other issues I'm too tired to name.
The relationship bars are bugged, building a rocket is bugged, randomly for no apparent reason even though the game itself runs fine you suddenly have major delay/lag when trying to do interactions(pressing on a computer or a stove, waiting a few seconds for the options to come up and time doesn't flow.
And many other small interactions.

The game has almost no foils for you, everything is easy and danger free. You will ALWAYS reach your goals.

Most activities, especially ones from the Expansions/DLCS are completely pointless, they barely even add "Flavor" and usually feel like chores to even participate in.
You maybe check them out once to see what's it about, realize that it's boring at best and a waste of your sim time at worst.
You usually end up just one dimensionally improving skills by repeating the same task until your sim needs to fill a need or go to work. You only ever really need to leave your house or interact with other Sims to fill your social bar, and even that can be instantly fixed by just calling someone over, woohooing once and kicking them out.

And of course the most obvious and most insulting part.
For something that can barely be called a "Game" at this point, it's literally one of the most expensive full package video games out there. Insane.
Last edited by DaniTheHero; Mar 9, 2023 @ 9:16pm
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76561198213095365 May 20, 2022 @ 10:37pm 
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on at least some points. Number 1, I use a gaming computer, but have no intention of using all of the packs for The Sims 4, number 2, I have not had any major issues yet with it taking too long to wait with the loading screen when visiting other locations, and number 3 the neighborhood stories recently added into the game do in fact work where they will in fact adopt children and give birth on their own just as long as you do not play with every single family in the game, but instead maybe limit your control to only a few families at most when first starting the game. (You do not have to micromanage every single family to make sure that they will either adopt and/or have more babies on their own.)

And finally, number 4 if you use the MCCC mod it can help a lot as well in making story content more alive and interesting similar to NRAAS mods for The SIms 3. Does that mean The Sims 4 is not flawed? I would have to say no and perhaps you do have some good points as well in addition to the fact that maybe The Sims 3 is still better overall than The Sims 4, but they are also two very different types of games as well where each player's style of preference for game play is different. EA games will not be able to please everyone even though they tried really hard to do so on The Sims 3 despite it having major issues for some players when it comes to bugs, glitches, crashes, errors (although they seem to be a rare occurrence), lag, having trouble with the launcher, and various other issues that can make game play more painful and annoying. And then, there is that last bit of using the gallery can be fun from The Sims 4, because The Sims 3 and previous Sim games never included this.
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Elstar May 21, 2022 @ 1:48am 
Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
The game has almost no foils for you, everything is easy and danger free. You will ALWAYS reach your goals

I see the game as a sandbox it's like real life in that it is what you make of it. If you want more challenge you can make or do a challenge imposing you own rules on yourself.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Too many activities are "Rabbitholes", and even the few ones that aren't (Like the acting career) are the exact same tasks every single time

You can add you own activities to the game, you can fill the neighborhoods with different community lots like a ship, flying plane, train, camping site, tourist attraction, cinema, tree house, beach party and other things. There are many great builds in the gallery.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Most activities, especially ones from the Expansions/DLCS are completely pointless, they barely even add "Flavor" and usually feel like chores to even participate in.
You maybe check them out once to see what's it about, realize that it's boring at best and a waste of your sim time at worst.

Play the game for the fun, don't feel forced to do things you don't like to do. Leave the chores to real life(or have the sims do the for you). If you think you are wasting your sims time you can extend there life, it don't matter how long it takes you to do something in the game, play the game as you like it. Some times it can be nice just going into first person view sitting in a sofa and watch the horizon.
Last edited by Elstar; May 21, 2022 @ 1:49am
pauldevonport73 May 21, 2022 @ 7:04am 
Don't play it then ! As for the last statement about the price it is no more expensive than other sims games if you take into account the actual cost in money of sim points and the amount you need to purchase the good stuff think the idea of the game is it is meant to be what you make it if it is boring you could always make a list of improvements and contact EA games with your ideas am sure they would love to hear from you!!
DaniTheHero May 21, 2022 @ 9:44am 
Originally posted by pauldevonport73:
Don't play it then ! As for the last statement about the price it is no more expensive than other sims games if you take into account the actual cost in money of sim points and the amount you need to purchase the good stuff think the idea of the game is it is meant to be what you make it if it is boring you could always make a list of improvements and contact EA games with your ideas am sure they would love to hear from you!!

No they won't.. People have been complaining and mostly saying the same thing about the gameplay for years, with no change.
The AI is still terrible, the game is still buggy and requires mods to fix every little thing, Both your own Sims and the NPC's are completely personality less and hollow and plenty of things I either already mentioned or others did before.

The price was intentionally put as the last point, because it was just a cherry on top. If the game was at least "Good" it wouldn't be as a problem, but to get a game that has taken so many Steps back from Sims 2 and 3 in many aspects and still have a 1k+ dollars product is insane.
Darzai May 21, 2022 @ 11:17am 
I understand you OP. I wanted to like the game too,but it just lacks depth compared to even Sims 2.

Even with neighbourhood stories there is no real simulation. You still don't see your neighbours leaving and entering their homes for work or school for example. It is all just backdrop with loading screens to travel.

Even building, which is so praised for Sims 4. Have fun finding matching colour swatches for anything! They didn't even give windows and doors a matching base colour set (if you remove colourwheel, this should be the obvious thing to add imo).
You also can't edit neighbourhoods or place lots and there are already so few lots to begin with. It is mostly background what you see in those neighbourhoods.

Then the action queue. They can't make it work properly. Some actions simply don't show (any kind of greeting), so you see your sim waiting for something but you have no clue why. When you cancel an action and before its cancelled, you add a new action, they both drop. When emotion changes your whole queue can drop. When you switch sim, your queued actions can drop on the former sim. Lot of actions can't be cancelled until your sim or the other arrives at their destination. It is just a frustrating and glitchy mess.

Sure, visually Sims 4 is pretty. Pretty sims, pretty neighbourhoods (just don't look too close at textures :p ). And if that is your thing, you might like it. But any depth is removed, sims don't have unique characters, gameplay is glitchy like hell. I mean, try to have a date on a public lot or eat at a restaurant and see how 'fun' gameplay is.

And EVERY DLC breaks something. Sometimes so bad that you wonder if those devs even play their own game.
Lady Aeleanor May 21, 2022 @ 12:05pm 
Not sure about everyone's gender who are commenting, but generally speaking, I have found that more women than men play Sims games. On most Sims 4 Facebook Pages, the women members are at about 80%. Not saying women don't find it boring, but speaking for myself, I don't. I have found many different ways to keep it interesting.
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Marius May 21, 2022 @ 12:15pm 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Not sure about everyone's gender who are commenting, but generally speaking, I have found that more women than men play Sims games. On most Sims 4 Facebook Pages, the women members are at about 80%. Not saying women don't find it boring, but speaking for myself, I don't. I have found many different ways to keep it interesting.

As a guy the only interesting part was getting a goob job. Train everything to max. Get enough money to earn some awesome stuff for my home. Impregnant the whole neighbourhood. That was it, lol.
76561198213095365 May 21, 2022 @ 4:08pm 
Originally posted by Marius:
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Not sure about everyone's gender who are commenting, but generally speaking, I have found that more women than men play Sims games. On most Sims 4 Facebook Pages, the women members are at about 80%. Not saying women don't find it boring, but speaking for myself, I don't. I have found many different ways to keep it interesting.

As a guy the only interesting part was getting a goob job. Train everything to max. Get enough money to earn some awesome stuff for my home. Impregnant the whole neighbourhood. That was it, lol.

You actually have a point there. With massive sized open worlds from The Sims 3 you did not necessarily need to impregnate entire neighborhoods and especially if you combined that with the NRAAS story progression mod. Not as much for The Sims 4 where having more babies and/or adopting more children might be viewed as more of a good thing for this game, because there are a lot less townie sims overall for The Sims 4 than The Sims 3 besides what you make from create a sim and/or add from the gallery; although, according to neighborhood stories at least some families you are not using will adopt,give birth, and/or move in on their own without needing to ask for permission as long as you keep those options enabled. As for move out and adopting pets on the other hand for neighborhood stories it might be viewed as more controversial and part of the reason why I keep them turned of.
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76561198213095365 May 21, 2022 @ 4:29pm 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Not sure about everyone's gender who are commenting, but generally speaking, I have found that more women than men play Sims games. On most Sims 4 Facebook Pages, the women members are at about 80%. Not saying women don't find it boring, but speaking for myself, I don't. I have found many different ways to keep it interesting.

Not sure of how accurate that is. I believe when you say that more women play the Sims 4 than men regardless of the actual percentage of how many men actually play this game (although, I think that 60% or more of all players being female is close enough to being accurate), but I think there is a lot more to The Sims 4 than only just having families and building houses. Is it as good as The Sims 2 and The Sims 3? Probably not, but as a male I have not gotten bored yet with The Sims 4. My personal opinions about this game might change the longer I play it, but fortunately not yet.
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Lady Aeleanor May 21, 2022 @ 4:38pm 
Originally posted by davidnoble1996:
Not sure of how accurate that is. I believe when you say that more women play the Sims 4 than men regardless of the actual percentage of how many men actually play this game (although, I think that 60% or more of all players being female is close enough to being accurate), but I think there is a lot more to The Sims 4 than only just having families and building houses. Is it as good as The Sims 2 and The Sims 3? Probably not, but as a male I have not bored yet with The Sims 4.
I base my estimation from observing women vs. men on Sims 4 Facebook pages, and YouTube video creators. There's a much larger number of women posting and uploading videos.
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Blood Lightning May 21, 2022 @ 11:31pm 
Use Mods to ease the repetitiveness. You cant play sims 4 like a normal game, its pretty much a game of immersion and not "achievements" or "arcade style". Its like a sandbox RPG with no main story. Like playing AD&D but more of a modern/real world setting.
DaniTheHero May 22, 2022 @ 12:54am 
Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:
Not sure about everyone's gender who are commenting, but generally speaking, I have found that more women than men play Sims games. On most Sims 4 Facebook Pages, the women members are at about 80%. Not saying women don't find it boring, but speaking for myself, I don't. I have found many different ways to keep it interesting.

Yes, The Sims is one of the only PC gaming franchises that has a female majority on, and it's stands to reason that this gap only increased in Sims 4.

Although of course there's exceptions to every rule and every person is unique, women and men generally and inherently look for different things, even in games (Surprise surprise.. we are different!)

Women usually are more creative, artistic and are attracted to the visual more.
- Which explains why they don't complain about The Sims 4 as much.
The game is far prettier than previous titles, the character customization is vast and far more in depth than the previous games, it's very easy to build now and there's many furniture options.

From what i've seen both online and from my own female friends they play the game usually in the same way -
1) Creating new Sims/Households all the time, trying to make the most beautiful, the cutest or the more goofy creations.
2) Creating great houses and trying to top themselves with better lots.
3) If "playing" the game they try to create some fabricated drama love triangle thing and hoping between households often.


On the other hand usually men look for an enjoyable gameplay loop, a more "Challenging" or/and realistic experience and preferably a story or any sense of progression in the game systems itself.
They spend nearly their entire time in the "Living mode" side of the game, usually trying to do a sort of "perfect" version of themselves.

That's why men usually just play in prebuilt lots, furnish the lot with items based on their usefulness rather than the appearance or how it matches and spend barely any time really customizing other than the time they spend creating their one household/single character.

As I said before and Darzai later expanded upon, once they dive into the game they notice how hollow the actual gameplay is, and you are forced to fabricate any sense of "story" or "goal" to make anything exciting. Most things are either "broken" or very poorly made and even your own queue gets completely busted if it involves either other Sims or emotion based actions.

And then as David said, I played the exactly same way since the game had nothing else to offer me -
1) Since there's no real foils, roadblocks or danger - I attempted to max every skill, aspiration and job.
2) Since there's no real personality, chemistry or even any real romance. I just Woohoo'd every (attractive) woman in the game. You didn't have to commit to anyon, jealously and infidelity is barely a thing. you could get to makeout and then sleep with any character with just a few flirty interactions. The game literally allows you to have multiple "girlfriends".
3) Since the NPCs don't actually make relationships or reproduce I also tried to impregnate all the women I interacted with.
4) Million of chat options that all result in the same thing. Making friends was completely pointless. All you had to do to keep your social and even fun bar full is to call a person for a quick booty call that lasts less than 1 ingame hour, send them home and you max your two bars for the next 24 hours.
The called sims are never busy or unwilling to come unless it's nighttime.

Every NPC in the game exists as a background for you, to entertain you or please you. None of them matter. They don't go to their jobs, they don't have favorite lots or agency. nothing.

All it takes from me is a single long weekend of playing a single character to max everything, befriend/romance every character and become god.



If you try to play the game "naturally" it just doesn't work, nor has the systems or the AI to properly function as a GAME. Even Sims 2 a game from 2004 does it FARRR better.
The game is perfectly described as an Art Work - "Look but don't touch".
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Elstar May 22, 2022 @ 2:15am 
Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
and every person is unique,

Making assumptions is fine as long as you know they are assumptions and persons are much more complex than just what gender they have.

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
As I said before and Darzai later expanded upon, once they dive into the game they notice how hollow the actual gameplay is, and you are forced to fabricate any sense of "story" or "goal" to make anything exciting

Don't feel forced, you can see it as an opportunity to do what you like. If you want you can get into modding, there are curtain mods I'm sure you would like(If you don't have them already).

Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
And then as David said, I played the exactly same way since the game had nothing else to offer me

This game works very well if you can make your own fun. You don't need to do everything, just do what you like in the game. You can try some new things too.
Exodus May 22, 2022 @ 2:15am 
I have probs put lots of hours in sims 3 in 09 as a kid, this game has better fluidity and building mechanics. Other than that, the world feels extremely hollow

I still don't think it's a bad game, depending on your playstyle and pace you can still extract a lot of fun even from the base game imo. I do agree tho, it has an extremely restrictive world, sims 3 was far far more expansive in that regard.
pauldevonport73 May 22, 2022 @ 3:42am 
Originally posted by DaniTheHero:
Originally posted by pauldevonport73:
Don't play it then ! As for the last statement about the price it is no more expensive than other sims games if you take into account the actual cost in money of sim points and the amount you need to purchase the good stuff think the idea of the game is it is meant to be what you make it if it is boring you could always make a list of improvements and contact EA games with your ideas am sure they would love to hear from you!!

No they won't.. People have been complaining and mostly saying the same thing about the gameplay for years, with no change.
The AI is still terrible, the game is still buggy and requires mods to fix every little thing, Both your own Sims and the NPC's are completely personality less and hollow and plenty of things I either already mentioned or others did before.

The price was intentionally put as the last point, because it was just a cherry on top. If the game was at least "Good" it wouldn't be as a problem, but to get a game that has taken so many Steps back from Sims 2 and 3 in many aspects and still have a 1k+ dollars product is insane.
As i said if you dont like it simple solution dont play it!!!
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