The Potentiflator change is garbage. Revert it immediately.

[Kotodama]

Because all the videos and wiki's available still use the information received in the Demo, people like myself have been RUINING their Potential 20 Coromon. I had to go into the Wiki myself and add a screenshot and revision just to try to save future players the hassle.

Whose idea was it to leave it as it was through the entire demo and then only change it during the release? Why would you bait the community into ruining their Coromon by not informing them of the change DURING the demo or towards the END of the demo?

Revert the change. It makes literally 0 sense and does nothing but create frustration when losing a potential perfect coromon.

Now I have a Patterbit that I was expecting as a perfect to be effectively useless because not only did I have the correct Trait I wanted on it, but I wanted to use it in the Perfect Color Palette.

It's pretty much a slap in the face from all the time it took me to find one.

[NelRood]

Do you realize that you get angry for a story of dispensable content in a video game for less than 15/20 euros/dollars that plagiarizes Pokemon?

I followed the thread to figure out what was wrong. But I realize that some people should get out there and start a life.

[Pvt. Parts]

The OP quit replying here because he got Cheat Engine. Good company you're in.

You guys are crying over number tweaks from demo to live. I'm 100% agreeing that Oleg is the villain of the game. He's a dirty rotten liar who ruined my 20 Nibblegar, and frankly, I'll never forgive him.

But the Potentiflator we now have is fine. Doesn't need to be changed. However, when they make big gameplay changes like this they should absolutely tell us.

Also, Amicol, you are literally on drugs. You quoted me three times in a row, making a point that didn't relate to what I was saying at all. You might not be bright enough for the internet pal. I've said repeatidly that lying to players is the real issue, yet you seem to think I don't agree. The entitlement I was referring to was the OP demanding that the changes be reverted in the title of the thread. That's complete entitlement. And that OP is now using cheat engine to spawn himself Perfect Mons, and request even more cheat features on the cheat forums. The author of cheat engine thanks him by name. So sure, cast yourself in with that lot. Real great company to keep.

[Kotodama]

Originalmente postado por Pvt. Parts:

The OP quit replying here because he got Cheat Engine. Good company you're in.

You guys are crying over number tweaks from demo to live. I'm 100% agreeing that Oleg is the villain of the game. He's a dirty rotten liar who ruined my 20 Nibblegar, and frankly, I'll never forgive him.

But the Potentiflator we now have is fine. Doesn't need to be changed. However, when they make big gameplay changes like this they should absolutely tell us.

Also, Amicol, you are literally on drugs. You quoted me three times in a row, making a point that didn't relate to what I was saying at all. You might not be bright enough for the internet pal. I've said repeatidly that lying to players is the real issue, yet you seem to think I don't agree. The entitlement I was referring to was the OP demanding that the changes be reverted in the title of the thread. That's complete entitlement. And that OP is now using cheat engine to spawn himself Perfect Mons, and request even more cheat features on the cheat forums. The author of cheat engine thanks him by name. So sure, cast yourself in with that lot. Real great company to keep.

1) Trying to find a method to fix what should've never been broken isnt wrong as you are trying to frame it. 100% disingenuous.

2) Making the claim that im spawning myself perfect Coromon just because I fixed What should've never happened in the first place because the developers themselves deceived the players isnt as wrong as you are trying to frame it. 100% disingenuous. Fun Fact: The developers have literally been given save data by players who lost Potentially Perfect Coromon, added them back into their game and then given the save data back. Don't believe it? Go on youtube and search up a nuzlocke run with someone who found a 20 potency Nibblegar, his game crashed, he then spoke to developers and they assured him they'd add his nibblegar back into his save.

3) People can and are using Cheat Engine for things unrelated to Coromon altering and spawning. Check the Official Coromon Discord and people are using Cheat Engine to increase Play Speed. Thereby decreasing the time required to find Potent 20's, Perfects,
and Potentiflate Coromon. The reason why they are doing this is because people are already requesting an option to increase game speed. Most players want increased game speed. That has nothing to do with spawning in Coromon.

4) The person of the thread thanked me for answering on the DATABASE. Which fits in with my personal issue. If I ended up fixing my wrongly destroyed Potency 20 Coromon to a Perfect, if I don't get credit within the database then i still have to search for another perfect, literally cutting the achievement of me having found it by half. So I answered on how I found it was possible to update the database to get credit for any lost coromon.

If you werent being such a disingenuous prick you'd see that 2 or 3 other people have thanked me because they also lost their Coromon because of this garbage Potentiflator change. NOT ONLY on the forums but ON THE WIKI where it was ME who had to change the Wiki to reflect the Potentiflator change. They aren't thanking me for new cheats, they are thanking me because someone developed a fix and they are able to receive credit for their Coromon.

Ironic how you are trying to call me out for helping the community but you outed yourself as visiting the forums. You actually had no reason to be looking for any sort've fix to an issue you had in game unlike myself. Makes us wonder why you were there at all.

If the Developers don't listen or care to fix the issue that caused the players to lose not only playtime, but hard earned achievements, then the players should have the ability to fix the issue themselves. You lost your coromon? The players developed a solution. Whether you are tempted to go further than you are supposed to is not my concern.

[Pvt. Parts]

I visited the forums to fact check LastWeebAlive's statement. A pretty common thing to do when you're debating.

Don't pretend you're not an entitled brat. You cry on this forum, you cry on the cheat forums, and you pretend like you're doing this for the community. It's all BS. Lots of us got burned by this change to the feature, and believe me when I say I do empathise with you on that. However, my primary issue, which I've restated several times, is your attitude to the situation. Your thread title is very immature, and demanding, and doesn't actually help your argument at all. The new Potentiflator is not as useless as you claim. It's actually more balanced. It was implemented horribly (another point we agree on), and I hope the devs realise that.
But all the griping about losing 10 hours, and being lied to, and how something being one way in a DEMO means it should be that way in LIVE? It's all so "woe is me". You need to toughen up. When you start the demo, you get a message right away saying the demo doesn not represent the final product. You were warned. I'm sorry you got burned by their lack of communication, I really am. That's out of your control. But you do control how you react. While many of your points are well written and sincere, your original post, title and attitude really set the whole tone of this debate as negative. I get it, you're pissed off. Many of us were. But shake it off and me a grown up. The devs don't owe you a perfect, just because you thought you had one when you caught a 20. That's not the mechanics in live. You can cheat yourself a 21 and make yourself feel better, but you're not doing the community any favors, you're just doing it for you.
Personally, I think having a change to go from 19 or 20 to 21 with a pretty easy grind is a perfectly acceptable mechanic. I like the new potentiflator. The old one was unbalanced AF. Statistically, you should catch 4 20's for every wild 21, and the old potentiflator gave you 5 perfects for 500g each. Come, on. Even you can see how that devalues natural 21's. Paying 500g and walking 1000 steps was NOT equal to the difference in rarity between 20 and 21. And you don't have to agree with me. This is merely my opinion. But hey, if 1/3194 is too rare, now you have your Cheat Engine. Go "fix" the game for yourself.
But let's not sit here and pretend that very sentiment isn't selfish and entitled. Because the potentiflator being a 1/25 chance, which can be save scummed into a 21, is by no means broken. It's just more effort than you want to put forth. You not liking a balance patch does not equal a broken game.

[Pvt. Parts]

Side note: I just got a 20 Lumon, and took him to Oleg. After 3 resets I got him to 21.
Now, I know that's really above average luck. My next 20 could take 75 resets. Who knows. But knowing that my Potentiflator luck was above average added to the excitement of getting my new Perfect. Again, this is opinion, but I like the RNG. It's not insanely poor odds, and it's not a guarantee like it was. It makes the upgrade feel good to me. So my personal opinion is that the new Potentiflator is a win. And honestly, had the Demo version never existed, most players would be praising it as an awesome mechanic they wish they had in other Monster catching games.

[the drink]

Originalmente postado por Pvt. Parts:

I visited the forums to fact check LastWeebAlive's statement. A pretty common thing to do when you're debating.

Don't pretend you're not an entitled brat. You cry on this forum, you cry on the cheat forums, and you pretend like you're doing this for the community. It's all BS. Lots of us got burned by this change to the feature, and believe me when I say I do empathise with you on that. However, my primary issue, which I've restated several times, is your attitude to the situation. Your thread title is very immature, and demanding, and doesn't actually help your argument at all. The new Potentiflator is not as useless as you claim. It's actually more balanced. It was implemented horribly (another point we agree on), and I hope the devs realise that.
But all the griping about losing 10 hours, and being lied to, and how something being one way in a DEMO means it should be that way in LIVE? It's all so "woe is me". You need to toughen up. When you start the demo, you get a message right away saying the demo doesn not represent the final product. You were warned. I'm sorry you got burned by their lack of communication, I really am. That's out of your control. But you do control how you react. While many of your points are well written and sincere, your original post, title and attitude really set the whole tone of this debate as negative. I get it, you're pissed off. Many of us were. But shake it off and me a grown up. The devs don't owe you a perfect, just because you thought you had one when you caught a 20. That's not the mechanics in live. You can cheat yourself a 21 and make yourself feel better, but you're not doing the community any favors, you're just doing it for you.
Personally, I think having a change to go from 19 or 20 to 21 with a pretty easy grind is a perfectly acceptable mechanic. I like the new potentiflator. The old one was unbalanced AF. Statistically, you should catch 4 20's for every wild 21, and the old potentiflator gave you 5 perfects for 500g each. Come, on. Even you can see how that devalues natural 21's. Paying 500g and walking 1000 steps was NOT equal to the difference in rarity between 20 and 21. And you don't have to agree with me. This is merely my opinion. But hey, if 1/3194 is too rare, now you have your Cheat Engine. Go "fix" the game for yourself.
But let's not sit here and pretend that very sentiment isn't selfish and entitled. Because the potentiflator being a 1/25 chance, which can be save scummed into a 21, is by no means broken. It's just more effort than you want to put forth. You not liking a balance patch does not equal a broken game.

Lots of things to unpack here and it still seems like you don't fully understand OP.
The main complaint here is that the potentiflator change is flawed with sub-complaints being that the process of getting a perfect coromon is already annoying enough due to how RNG works.

I wouldn't say OP is entitled at all. He's someone who paid for the game who is also voicing out his thoughts for a feature that was not fully addressed in the game after they made changes. The game states in the dialogue that you would be guaranteed at least 1 potential point if you place your coromon in, the only setback is that you could only do it once. Sure, the changes after the demo is fine for "you" specifically, but you're not the only player. Others have also agreed that the change is terrible and adds more to the needless grinding. This is a valid complaint made by OP on why the potentiflator change is bad. The devs should either rewrite the dialogue to show what the machine actually does, or revert the changes.

OP also said he used cheat engine to speed up the playspeed of the game. Grinding is a feature that can't be dismissed in RPG like games, but it gets really tedious with how slow the game is along with the mandatory animations being played. He never said anything about cheating coromons in, but this is probably because you don't know how the application works (which is fair, you would think that people are using it to exploit the game, but doing that would actually be more annoying that farming for it).

I'm not trying to bash you here, but the main points here is that your experience differs greatly from other player's, OP's argument is valid despite how it might be worded, and that this is one (of the many) flaws that the game that should be addressed by the devs.

[Wonder]

Uhh, this was addressed some hours ago.

Between the demo and the full release, we changed a lot of mechanics which we believed would make the game more challenging. One such change we made was that we removed the guarantee of increasing a Potential 20 to 21, but as a compensation we increased the chances of lower Potentials to go up to 21.
We’ve constantly monitoring feedback from the community, and we heard your concerns about this change.

The Potentiflator now again guarantees an increase of 1 Potential. We did keep the increased changes for Coromon with a Potential below Potential 20, so that’s a win-win!

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1218210/announcements/detail/3178985892175699786

[Pvt. Parts]

Well, they just patched it to keep the part of the Potentiflator that I like (RNG to upgrade 19's or even lower to 21) and they reverted the 20-21 guarantee. So win win?

I'm still of the opinion that 20's turning into 21's for 2500g is really really generous, considering the gap in encounter rate. But hey, we're all going to benefit from it, so it is what it is. Just kind of cheapens natural 21's. It's like "Oh sweet a 21! i just saved 2500g!". lol obviously that's overly cynical, and we'll all still be super excited to see the 21 appear.

I still stand by my statement that the title and tone of this thread is uncalled for. It was a temper-trantrum. I 100% sympathise with the OP's story. So many of us can relate. But it just comes off as rude and immature, and immediately puts me off to want to side with him. My hope is that the take away for the OP is that:
a) You catch more flies with honey and
b) The devs are listening to players and making changes.

My worry is that, like with children, when you give in to a tantrum, you reinforce the behavior. Chances are the devs never saw this thread, they paid attention to more mature feedback. But the way the psychology of gamers works is that "Hey this worked for me once, it'll work again", even if the OP had nothing to do with the change.

[Kotodama]

My statement was never a temper tantrum. How many times do players have to voice their complete disdain over a change of which Wasn't correctly done, expressed, and stated? before change happens?

Do you seriously expect the devs to listen to "pretty please with sugar on top make this change? im big sad?" No. businesses should listen to the stern and passionate consumers who don't sugarcoat the issue. You are confusing my stern behavior of "Fix it, its garbage." as if it was some child throwing toys around who said it rather than it being from an adult who looks at a change in a product as goes "Wow.. this change is trash".

Of course devs are listening to players, because players like ME who are the most vocal. If people took your approach of "kill them with kindness, catch more flies with honey" they would never voice their dislike because they would be thinking so "optimistically" that they make excuses for the Devs decisions. Those are what we call "Shills". For example, you stated that you also hated when it happened to you. Did you voice your concern? Did you start a thread and state your discontent? Or did you join in an already established conversation from someone who was upset and felt emboldened to then voice a grievance? It is the people that start the discussion and the grievance that have no issue voicing their concern when other just wouldnt and many times these people aren't being rude.

A series of words that you consider rude doesn't mean the individual is actually being rude. You can't tell how i'm speaking by my text. Calling a company out and telling them how bad something isnt rude. Its accountability. You made the change and therefore you should be responsible in dealing with the possible disgruntled consumer base when it was legitimately a bad change.

The difference between me and someone whose just willy nilly screaming out their lungs is that i am providing cohesive statements, experience, and knowledge to my claims. I'm not throwing ad hominems in every sentence and I've stayed on topic throughout the entire discussion.

They made the change not directly because of me, but because so many players like I said were completely blindsided and upset. Many of them didn't even bother to voice their opinion because they think such as yourself rhey dont want to come off as "entitled" or "rude". There needed to have been people who were angered by the change to get any sort've of eyes on it in the first place. That is the nature of business.

At any rate they changed it. So now I can go back to farming as normal and people wont have to save reset spam just to proc a 4% chance.

[Proto]

Why I was always hesitant regarding Coromon's shiny forms correlating to better stats. Because just how tedious will it have to be just so I can get the best coromon of that current version of it?

While the devs did put in some convenient systems in place to cutback on the grind such as being able change traits, choose your coromons stats and reset it, but the game still manages to turn into 'shiny hunt' simulator. Any un-fun egregious grinding that requires to be stronger in any game is a downer in my book.

[Kotodama]

Originalmente postado por Mugenmori:

Why I was always hesitant regarding Coromon's shiny forms correlating to better stats. Because just how tedious will it have to be just so I can get the best coromon of that current version of it?

While the devs did put in some convenient systems in place to cutback on the grind such as being able change traits, choose your coromons stats and reset it, but the game still manages to turn into 'shiny hunt' simulator. Any un-fun egregious grinding that requires to be stronger in any game is a downer in my book.

I kinda sort've agree. Perhaps it would've been a better idea that within a PvP environment, all Coromon have full Potential Points temporarily. Completely equalizing the playing field (Similiar to Pokemon Showdown how all players can just freely add and remove EV's and IV's). Out of PvP Coromon would remain the same as it is now, with potentials and shinies, etc.

At least that way no one feels obligated via min-max for competitive but they still have the same unique factors when playing solo through the story.

[Voltlighter]

I don't believe adding RNG on top of RNG is good design. It's pretty dumb to require 8 hours of searching for a 20, only to get edged for another hour uselessly running 1000 steps while save scumming for yet another roll.

That said, I also understand why they made this change. 20 is just a 21 in waiting, especially considering the low cost. I think a reasonable alternative is keep the guaranteed 1, but increase the cost of using the machine the higher the potency is. They could make it 50,000 gold at potency 20 and I think it'd be worth it. Very pricey early game, but can redo a trainer battle a few times to get that in the end game.

[𐂃]

Why are u guys wasting entire days of your lifetime to get a perfect anything in a mediocre pokemon clone, when it hardly makes a difference? I have a perfect everything I want in seconds using cheat engine on top of time worth spending with more important things than brainless boring grinding for literal no reward.

[Ooze]

Originalmente postado por Pvt. Parts:

The OP quit replying here because he got Cheat Engine. Good company you're in.

You guys are crying over number tweaks from demo to live. I'm 100% agreeing that Oleg is the villain of the game. He's a dirty rotten liar who ruined my 20 Nibblegar, and frankly, I'll never forgive him.

But the Potentiflator we now have is fine. Doesn't need to be changed. However, when they make big gameplay changes like this they should absolutely tell us.

Also, Amicol, you are literally on drugs. You quoted me three times in a row, making a point that didn't relate to what I was saying at all. You might not be bright enough for the internet pal. I've said repeatidly that lying to players is the real issue, yet you seem to think I don't agree. The entitlement I was referring to was the OP demanding that the changes be reverted in the title of the thread. That's complete entitlement. And that OP is now using cheat engine to spawn himself Perfect Mons, and request even more cheat features on the cheat forums. The author of cheat engine thanks him by name. So sure, cast yourself in with that lot. Real great company to keep.

I quoted you three times but different quotes. -_- All the OP wanted was the change to be as on demo. Entitlement "the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment." I don't see any special treatment here. Do you know why people pirate games, music etc? it's due to accessibility. If you make it almost impossible to do so, people are more incline to cheat. I don't want to waste hours upon hours just to get a 20 shiny to get lied to by an npc that is in the system saying it can be up by 1. Although im not going to start using a cheat system due to this, i did quit.

[Ooze]

Originalmente postado por Wonder:

Uhh, this was addressed some hours ago.

Between the demo and the full release, we changed a lot of mechanics which we believed would make the game more challenging. One such change we made was that we removed the guarantee of increasing a Potential 20 to 21, but as a compensation we increased the chances of lower Potentials to go up to 21.
We’ve constantly monitoring feedback from the community, and we heard your concerns about this change.

The Potentiflator now again guarantees an increase of 1 Potential. We did keep the increased changes for Coromon with a Potential below Potential 20, so that’s a win-win!

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1218210/announcements/detail/3178985892175699786

Why not add loot boxes upon that to make it more "challenging" HAHA