Convincing Vina to marry Duke Reinhart

[Daddy Soll]

I've recently picked this game back up after a lengthy break, and it seems like the devs have made this sub-path much harder.

- Bought the Gas Field from Pales.
- Sent Vina as diplomatic Envoy.
- De-escalated conflict and resumed the deal.
- Convinced Manus to leave Rizia permanently.
- Convinced Duke Reinhart of the marriage idea, telling him I'd ask Vina.

But, during the dinner dialogue nothing seems to work and she keeps asking to not marry at all - even the old dialogue chain!

What am I missing, any pointers?

[Daddy Soll]

For context, dialogue options I followed go like this:

R: "Well, Vina? Are you enjoying your dinner?"
V: "I can't bear it anymore. Father, did you do it?"
R: "What is it you that you think I did?"
V: "You never liked Manus. It was all a ruse. You scared him off."
R: "Sweetheart... I know you're sad. But that's no reason to take it out on me."
V: "Don't bloody patronise! I know what you are!"
R: "I know how much Manus meant to you. I would never do anything to hurt him."
V: "Sure."
R: "Speaking of falling in love again... how open are you to the possibility of another suitor?"
V: "Who?"
R: "Duke Axel Reinhart."
Y: "I saw the way you looked at him at the gas deal signing. You like him."
V: "But I am not in love with him."
R: "You will grow to love him over time. It happened with me and your mother."
V: "I have been privy to your conversations about them. Will our marriage be enough to resolve centuries of tension?"
Y: "It's not as simple as that. Marriage is only the first step in a long process of negotiation and reconciliation."
V: "A marital alliance with another monarchy feels like a step backwards to me."
R: "I know it seems that way. But I assure you this partnership will benefit everyone in Rizia. Not only nobles."
V: "If I marry Reinhart, I intend to hold you to that promise."
E: "Sooner or later, you've got to put your personal aspirations aside and do your womanly duty on behalf of the kingdom."
R: "No, Mother. That's not going to be Vina's life. My daughter is free to choose her own future."
V: "Then I would rather not wed at all. Thank you for understanding."

This *used* to work.

[Radene]

Originally posted by Daddy Soll:

I've recently picked this game back up after a lengthy break, and it seems like the devs have made this sub-path much harder.

- Bought the Gas Field from Pales.
- Sent Vina as diplomatic Envoy.
- De-escalated conflict and resumed the deal.
- Convinced Manus to leave Rizia permanently.
- Convinced Duke Reinhart of the marriage idea, telling him I'd ask Vina.

But, during the dinner dialogue nothing seems to work and she keeps asking to not marry at all - even the old dialogue chain!

What am I missing, any pointers?

How were you treating before the Pales deal? Did you let her be on your council, and tell her that you won't force her to marry anyone? I think the council bit itself might not be so important, but being open to her romantic pursuits is.

[Daddy Soll]

Originally posted by Radene:

How were you treating before the Pales deal? Did you let her be on your council, and tell her that you won't force her to marry anyone? I think the council bit itself might not be so important, but being open to her romantic pursuits is.

This might be it - I did have her on the council, but very much shut down her relationship with Manus. Didn't let her dance with him, refused my blessing to their relationship. This didn't used to impact the Axel marriage deal.

[Jingo]

The way to deal with Vina is simply to bend over backwards to her. Let her date Manus, let her have fun until the point where you can call Reinheard to call off his attempts, which means re-inviting his exiled mother.

Then just feign ignorance and she'll go for it.

Axel used to be easier to persuade in taking your family name but that is no longer on the table.

[Daddy Soll]

Thanks for the help, so basically let Vina do whatever until the marriage is suggested.

Although, what's interesting is in my run, Axel was fine with taking the name!

[MFX_Media]

Why are they changing this? In previous versions it did make sense. I wished they had expanded Vinas lines a bit more, maybe you can persuade her to NOT date the son of your kidnapper - it's about family honour and prestige. Vina is a loose cannon, wish devs implented a way to give her slaps like you could with Monica.

[Daddy Soll]

I agree with you there. My ideal run is pulling a Bismarck and unifying Zilie and Pales with Rizia peacefully, setting up the Intermerkopum alliance so we're not dependent on either the big ATO or CSP, or even GRACE.

I spend the playthrough setting up an enlightened absolute monarchy at the head of a powerful alliance only for my daughter to want to run off with Manus and turn us into a Constitutional Monarchy. It speaks volumes that Vina actually becomes a Malenyvist if kept off The Council!

[Reptiloid]

I won't get into specific dialogue choices, but in general be nice to her and rizz up her power fantasies of being a queen, by constantly saying that if ye want to be a queen you have to compromise. She will be creaming over Manus, but either fund golden guard to dispose of him later, or if you are on absolutism run, you can threaten to execute his mother and he will flop. Then just tell her pretty much the same and there you go.

I dunno, how one could have trouble there. Unless you are a normie yourself and actually supported her idea of self-determination and free love. I mean, cool, but this is monarchy in 1950's, get a reality check. Or if you are some kind of sadist, or RPing as bad father, and you've been vocal to her about contemplating of forcing her to marry Rico, then yeah, she will abandon the idea for good as well. Might even run away from home.

I also like to execute Manus while making everyone watch at the end, just to be sure.

[TruXurT]

I noticed one crucial conversation that makes Vina shut off Axel marriage.

When you go to Iza after Manus leaves, if you tell her "why don't you put a makeup or something" it is over, you will lose option to mention marriage in the family dinner. If you are nice to her in Iza conversation (pick middle dialogue option) and have done right things before, the choice will be available and she will be more cooperative.

[Daddy Soll]

Originally posted by TruXurT:

I noticed one crucial conversation that makes Vina shut off Axel marriage.

When you go to Iza after Manus leaves, if you tell her "why don't you put a makeup or something" it is over, you will lose option to mention marriage in the family dinner. If you are nice to her in Iza conversation (pick middle dialogue option) and have done right things before, the choice will be available and she will be more cooperative.

Definitely. We've solved this now - tl:dr let her do what she wants prior to the dinner convo. and tell her you'll never force her into anything etc. Force Manus to leave when given the option, and follow the old dialogue path that's essentially convincing her the marriage is what's best for Rizia.