How to win the war

[ben.westdorp]

What choices do I have to make sure that I do not lose the war with the queen? In my prior runs, I had three allies of Angolina, Wehlen and Lespsia. And in these runs I make sure that the extra funds go to military and that I modernize the army and end the draft. But even with all this I still routinely get the hail the queen ending. My prior choices were to follow the pincer strategy from and then in first run to be decisive and attack the capital. Then in the second attempt I went with the pincer plan but attacked Dome instead. But in both cases I still somehow lose to the queen, Should I not call in my allies to make this war easier. Or is the problem with the choices I make for my allies. In both runs I had Wehlen's troops be the reserves and Angolina's troops assist in the pincer attack. While the troops from Lespasia would be in the front lines attacking Dome. What choices do I have to make to ensure that I win the war?

[southsidepharaoh]

I tried the Pincer tactic as well with Arcasia and Lespia as my allies. I think because I did not leave behind troops to protect the flanks, Rumburg and the CSP launched a missile attack on Holsord and end the game there. I'm going to try again and I'll let you know.

[firestarter]

Originally posted by southsidepharaoh:

I tried the Pincer tactic as well with Arcasia and Lespia as my allies. I think because I did not leave behind troops to protect the flanks, Rumburg and the CSP launched a missile attack on Holsord and end the game there. I'm going to try again and I'll let you know.

If you invade rumbourg with arcasia as you ally the CSP will give them nuclear technology and rumburg will nuke you

[Radene]

Originally posted by firestarter:

Originally posted by southsidepharaoh:

I tried the Pincer tactic as well with Arcasia and Lespia as my allies. I think because I did not leave behind troops to protect the flanks, Rumburg and the CSP launched a missile attack on Holsord and end the game there. I'm going to try again and I'll let you know.

If you invade rumbourg with arcasia as you ally the CSP will give them nuclear technology and rumburg will nuke you

Rumburg has its own nukes.

[firestarter]

Originally posted by Radene:

Originally posted by firestarter:

If you invade rumbourg with arcasia as you ally the CSP will give them nuclear technology and rumburg will nuke you

Rumburg has its own nukes.

Rumburg nukes arent ready by the time the war happens, this is why they cant nuke you if they dont get supplied by a superpower

[pycu4]

Modernisation program + keeping reservists + modernisation of Air Forces + Alliance with Agnolia and Lespia + always following the tactics suggested by Iosef. (Dont forget to grant asylum for a rumburgian defector so you can tell the Alliance of Nations that Rumburg's been developing nuclear weapon). And the war will be 100% won by Sordland. Well, at least it worked 3 times

[southsidepharaoh]

I have no idea WHO these guys are who are saying they won the war, but I tried two different times Iosef's tactics, allied with Arcasia, Lespia and Agnolia, and still LOST with a missile attack on Holsord...

[Daddy Soll]

Originally posted by southsidepharaoh:

I have no idea WHO these guys are who are saying they won the war, but I tried two different times Iosef's tactics, allied with Arcasia, Lespia and Agnolia, and still LOST with a missile attack on Holsord...

Never go to war with Rumburg if you are allied to either Arcasia or United Cortana. If you go to war while allied with a superpower, you'll get nuked.

You can ally Agnolia, Valsgard, Wehlen and Lespia, though.

[warallied2xx]

Originally posted by Elin Misk:

Originally posted by southsidepharaoh:

I have no idea WHO these guys are who are saying they won the war, but I tried two different times Iosef's tactics, allied with Arcasia, Lespia and Agnolia, and still LOST with a missile attack on Holsord...

Never go to war with Rumburg if you are allied to either Arcasia or United Cortana. If you go to war while allied with a superpower, you'll get nuked.

You can ally Agnolia, Valsgard, Wehlen and Lespia, though.

You cant ally Wehlen. Its just a trade deal.

More importantly, you will get only one ally total if that happens.

Ill help this poor soul.

The basic way to win is this: Agnolia, Lespia alliance (altho they are many more ways)
From there, a lot of possibilities are open. Infrastructure is relevent to which ally will help you in your strategies.
Be careful with Lespia, their aid depends on your economy and infrastructure investment.

If you plan on going Pincer strategy and all in to their capital. Make sure you have a modern professional army and that Lespia covers for you.

[Torch of Liberty]

Originally posted by warallied2xx:

Originally posted by Elin Misk:

Never go to war with Rumburg if you are allied to either Arcasia or United Cortana. If you go to war while allied with a superpower, you'll get nuked.

You can ally Agnolia, Valsgard, Wehlen and Lespia, though.

You cant ally Wehlen. Its just a trade deal.

More importantly, you will get only one ally total if that happens.

Ill help this poor soul.

The basic way to win is this: Agnolia, Lespia alliance (altho they are many more ways)
From there, a lot of possibilities are open. Infrastructure is relevent to which ally will help you in your strategies.
Be careful with Lespia, their aid depends on your economy and infrastructure investment.

If you plan on going Pincer strategy and all in to their capital. Make sure you have a modern professional army and that Lespia covers for you.

False, I've allied with Wehlan. It's more of a wink wink nudge nudge kind of deal after you assist them in their campaign against the bluds.

I had the ending where Lespia, Agnolia and Wehlen were all in that train cabin waiting for the humiliation of the queen.

[southsidepharaoh]

WHOEVER KEEPS TELLING THAT THE WAR IS WINNABLE ARE A BUNCH OF F**KING MORONS. i TRIED THE 4TH TIME WITHOUT ALLYING WITH THE SUPERPOWERS, DID THE PINCER MOVE FIRST AND MOVED ONTO THE CAPITAL. EVEN HAD ALLIANCES WITH LESPIA, AGNOLIA AND WEHLEN AND HAD THEM JOIN IN THE WAR. STILL LOST AS THE RUMBURG MEN REACHED THE SITUATION ROOM AND ARRESTED US!

[Daddy Soll]

Originally posted by southsidepharaoh:

WHOEVER KEEPS TELLING THAT THE WAR IS WINNABLE ARE A BUNCH OF F**KING MORONS. i TRIED THE 4TH TIME WITHOUT ALLYING WITH THE SUPERPOWERS, DID THE PINCER MOVE FIRST AND MOVED ONTO THE CAPITAL. EVEN HAD ALLIANCES WITH LESPIA, AGNOLIA AND WEHLEN AND HAD THEM JOIN IN THE WAR. STILL LOST AS THE RUMBURG MEN REACHED THE SITUATION ROOM AND ARRESTED US!

Make sure you keep the Gendarmerie under military control, and don't transfer them to the Interior. They know the city inside and out, and are vital in making sure that the battle is a victory.

Also, make sure Agnolia doesn't attack Dome and assists your pincer movement. Then make sure Lespia "protects your flanks". In order for Lespia to arrive on time, you need to built the L1 High Speed Railway, and not the Highway. Otherwise they get there too late.

[ThisIsMerlin]

Originally posted by southsidepharaoh:

WHOEVER KEEPS TELLING THAT THE WAR IS WINNABLE ARE A BUNCH OF F**KING MORONS. i TRIED THE 4TH TIME WITHOUT ALLYING WITH THE SUPERPOWERS, DID THE PINCER MOVE FIRST AND MOVED ONTO THE CAPITAL. EVEN HAD ALLIANCES WITH LESPIA, AGNOLIA AND WEHLEN AND HAD THEM JOIN IN THE WAR. STILL LOST AS THE RUMBURG MEN REACHED THE SITUATION ROOM AND ARRESTED US!

Iosef's modern war plan requires a modern military. A traditional military should use a traditional war plan. Neither general is stupid, they have just planned for different militaries. You can't expect conscripts to properly implement Iosef's mobility doctrine, and you can't expect a handful of men to implement Valken's strategic depth strategy.
I haven't done a 1.1 run with modernization+conscription/expansion+volunteers, but I imagine these combos are worst of both worlds. And expanding the military at the expense of newer systems won't work without loads of man power. Modernizing while keeping conscription would be nice in the long run as you form a professional corp supported by reservists for depth. But a conscript handed a cool new gun isn't going to be able to leverage that advantage by the time you go to war.
If you have any of the sub-par combos above, but also aligned yourself with Lespia, you should be fine if you stick with valken's strategy. I imagine using your modernized conscripts to hold the line until lespia arrives will do the trick. Lespia's military is almost the size of Rumbugs but is also modern - so you can push forward from there

[firestarter]

Originally posted by ThisIsMerlin:

Originally posted by southsidepharaoh:

WHOEVER KEEPS TELLING THAT THE WAR IS WINNABLE ARE A BUNCH OF F**KING MORONS. i TRIED THE 4TH TIME WITHOUT ALLYING WITH THE SUPERPOWERS, DID THE PINCER MOVE FIRST AND MOVED ONTO THE CAPITAL. EVEN HAD ALLIANCES WITH LESPIA, AGNOLIA AND WEHLEN AND HAD THEM JOIN IN THE WAR. STILL LOST AS THE RUMBURG MEN REACHED THE SITUATION ROOM AND ARRESTED US!

Iosef's modern war plan requires a modern military. A traditional military should use a traditional war plan. Neither general is stupid, they have just planned for different militaries. You can't expect conscripts to properly implement Iosef's mobility doctrine, and you can't expect a handful of men to implement Valken's strategic depth strategy.
I haven't done a 1.1 run with modernization+conscription/expansion+volunteers, but I imagine these combos are worst of both worlds. And expanding the military at the expense of newer systems won't work without loads of man power. Modernizing while keeping conscription would be nice in the long run as you form a professional corp supported by reservists for depth. But a conscript handed a cool new gun isn't going to be able to leverage that advantage by the time you go to war.
If you have any of the sub-par combos above, but also aligned yourself with Lespia, you should be fine if you stick with valken's strategy. I imagine using your modernized conscripts to hold the line until lespia arrives will do the trick. Lespia's military is almost the size of Rumbugs but is also modern - so you can push forward from there

I won with modernised armed forces, with a focus on air force modernasation, i kept conscription and the gendarmie under military controll, i was allied with vargsland and welhen, vargsland made an amphibius landing, and welhen a flank attack, reservists and gendarmie held my flanks while the modernised army raced for the capital

[ThisIsMerlin]

Originally posted by firestarter:

Originally posted by ThisIsMerlin:

Iosef's modern war plan requires a modern military. A traditional military should use a traditional war plan. Neither general is stupid, they have just planned for different militaries. You can't expect conscripts to properly implement Iosef's mobility doctrine, and you can't expect a handful of men to implement Valken's strategic depth strategy.
I haven't done a 1.1 run with modernization+conscription/expansion+volunteers, but I imagine these combos are worst of both worlds. And expanding the military at the expense of newer systems won't work without loads of man power. Modernizing while keeping conscription would be nice in the long run as you form a professional corp supported by reservists for depth. But a conscript handed a cool new gun isn't going to be able to leverage that advantage by the time you go to war.
If you have any of the sub-par combos above, but also aligned yourself with Lespia, you should be fine if you stick with valken's strategy. I imagine using your modernized conscripts to hold the line until lespia arrives will do the trick. Lespia's military is almost the size of Rumbugs but is also modern - so you can push forward from there

I won with modernised armed forces, with a focus on air force modernasation, i kept conscription and the gendarmie under military controll, i was allied with vargsland and welhen, vargsland made an amphibius landing, and welhen a flank attack, reservists and gendarmie held my flanks while the modernised army raced for the capital

Ahh good - so both Lespia and Valgsland can turn the tide if you have the modern conscript army. I haven't tried with either, but if Valgsland can do it with it's smaller army, I think it is safe to say the conjecture about Lespia is accurate too.
For the modern air force, did that mean you were able to knock out Rumburg's airforce in that scenario Valken mentioned, or did it not come up? I normally did air force before 1.1 so stoked to hear about the results

[firestarter]

Originally posted by ThisIsMerlin:

Originally posted by firestarter:

I won with modernised armed forces, with a focus on air force modernasation, i kept conscription and the gendarmie under military controll, i was allied with vargsland and welhen, vargsland made an amphibius landing, and welhen a flank attack, reservists and gendarmie held my flanks while the modernised army raced for the capital

Ahh good - so both Lespia and Valgsland can turn the tide if you have the modern conscript army. I haven't tried with either, but if Valgsland can do it with it's smaller army, I think it is safe to say the conjecture about Lespia is accurate too.
For the modern air force, did that mean you were able to knock out Rumburg's airforce in that scenario Valken mentioned, or did it not come up? I normally did air force before 1.1 so stoked to hear about the results

How comes you are so sure conscripts dont help, also i dont remember valkens air force plan at all, also forgot to mention rumburg atacked me