What a meme ending (Rizia spoilers)

[TornadoADV]

Imagine having successfully created the South Merikopa Alliance, having the most powerful Navy outside of Vagsland, having so much authority, money and energy rolling in that you can't spend it all, win Zillies back by Referendum and marry Pales back into the Kingdom. Then have House Azaro try to coup you because you made an exception for your daughter to retain the throne instead of naming your son.

They fail and the game magically says it turned into a stalemate with nobody in your alliance coming to help.

What a joke, fix your DLC.

[Inquisitioner]

I had the same - but other heir choice - experience. I tried reloading and replaying while switching up choices and nothing.

In my case I went with the son and then got coup d'etat by my OWN house. This despite my obviously guaranteeing the off-spring being part of the Toras house since its not matrilineal. I further took every single step towards giving House relations boost and having Su Omina both being fully supported and loyal to the crown throughout the whole game.

Freaking joke. You'd think the great unifier of Pales and Zhille that always prioritized his own house would at least get a call before literally being shot to death by his own blood for choosing his own blood.

Guess I should've literally purged my uncle and nephew since nothing pleases them but death?

[Star Fetcher]

Originally posted by TornadoADV:

Imagine having successfully created the South Merikopa Alliance, having the most powerful Navy outside of Vagsland, having so much authority, money and energy rolling in that you can't spend it all, win Zillies back by Referendum and marry Pales back into the Kingdom. Then have House Azaro try to coup you because you made an exception for your daughter to retain the throne instead of naming your son.

They fail and the game magically says it turned into a stalemate with nobody in your alliance coming to help.

What a joke, fix your DLC.

Vina is a whiny shrew.
Just marry that blonde bombshell of a warrior queen Lucita and make a son with her lmao.

[Duckman]

Omg i had a perfect game right until the war started, then every single one of my positive decisions did not bring any return and it was just a ♥♥♥♥ show after ♥♥♥♥ show while the game meming on my face that every decision i made had a negative outcome. Went from +7 budget and positive energy output to negative 11. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ im never playing the game again...what a game that doesnt reward you at all wow.

Starting from every country that i can interact with being on my side over the Aureus dispute and being robbed on AN to declearing war to everything else. It just streamlined me onto so much negative ♥♥♥♥.

I funded both the armed and the ATA and still i didnt get Zille back, it decleared Independece somehow (wasnt even mentioned once in the entire game).

Also the game does not warn you that Operation Golden Whatever is 3 turns only, so in the end i lost the war because i did not capture the cities, even though the minigame was never even completed and i would win the war.

Then i got Sanctioned by AN, lost alliance with Rumburg, did not make south merkopa alliance, the war ending was just a text after the minigame cause the war doesnt resume.

I thought i would like the DLC more, but it was o bad that i did not acoomplish anything. All i managed to do was get shot in the face during a revellion and make it a Holy Roman Kingdom, being called Romus The Piety of whatevr ''Scouge of Nur''. Even against the rebellion the was no safeguard except leaving the country to Kyrute like the main game.

[Dietze]

@Void: War? What War? Romus the Peacefull here. XD Due to a combination of shrewd negotiations, smart politicking and currying international favour I NEVER had to deal with a war. Wheter external nor internal. Though I think I was reasonably well prepared for either.

Like there were a few hiccups and I never found concrete evidence for my father's death and I DID have suspicions about Lucita (then again I was 'only' 92% sure of Titus being on my side), I have to say I was quite pleased.

Yeah there were some issues and the end came basicly unanounced and the 'Son we need to pack our things and run away!' by the Queen Mother came out of the blue as while there were issues in Iza and some upheaval over some citizens being not treated equally, it never reached a boiling point and the vast majority of people supported me.

Still a bummer that I couldnt take a more pro-active approach on Iza when ♥♥♥♥ boiled over. (as Rico quite evidently failed to bring the situation under control even with Central Police support, at that point I would have wished I could have pulled the plug on that [on threat of angering Hugo and Rico] and tried to find a solution with Manus. Also weird there was never a scene/chance to adress the change of tides regarding Vina marrying Axel.)
And then of course the whole affair with Pales, Lespia and our 'great cooperation' when it litterally took international judication to force them to accept a 50/50 deal.

[Iforgotmynames]

Originally posted by Dietze:

Still a bummer that I couldnt take a more pro-active approach on Iza when ♥♥♥♥ boiled over. (as Rico quite evidently failed to bring the situation under control even with Central Police support, at that point I would have wished I could have pulled the plug on that [on threat of angering Hugo and Rico] and tried to find a solution with Manus.

You can depose Rico during the speech at Iza

[Duckman]

Originally posted by Dietze:

@Void: War? What War? Romus the Peacefull here. XD Due to a combination of shrewd negotiations, smart politicking and currying international favour I NEVER had to deal with a war. Wheter external nor internal. Though I think I was reasonably well prepared for either.

Like there were a few hiccups and I never found concrete evidence for my father's death and I DID have suspicions about Lucita (then again I was 'only' 92% sure of Titus being on my side), I have to say I was quite pleased.

Yeah there were some issues and the end came basicly unanounced and the 'Son we need to pack our things and run away!' by the Queen Mother came out of the blue as while there were issues in Iza and some upheaval over some citizens being not treated equally, it never reached a boiling point and the vast majority of people supported me.

Still a bummer that I couldnt take a more pro-active approach on Iza when ♥♥♥♥ boiled over. (as Rico quite evidently failed to bring the situation under control even with Central Police support, at that point I would have wished I could have pulled the plug on that [on threat of angering Hugo and Rico] and tried to find a solution with Manus. Also weird there was never a scene/chance to adress the change of tides regarding Vina marrying Axel.)
And then of course the whole affair with Pales, Lespia and our 'great cooperation' when it litterally took international judication to force them to accept a 50/50 deal.

I did not want a peaceful game because i wanted to play the war minigame. But it feels like the game does not want you to decleare war, because everything was on my side on one point but the game completely put me on rails in a path of failure that did not give me anything good. Whats even the point in having a war if you just going to make it so bad for the remainder of the game for the player? My budget as minus 14 for the endgame, each turn getting worse and worse because of business leaving or something (game doesnt even explain). So throught the early game i had a perfect welfare, a perfect economy, a good military, but after the war it feels like everything i build or made did not even give me returns. What even waste budget into making several military complex if theres not even time to make units because the minigame is so short. I didnt even get to deploy my reinforcements. There was no use for my dock upgrade or the airforce upgrade, or the weapons manufactory or the military border defense upgrade in Pales (which i think did nothing in the game).

Suggestion: Give more action points at each round within the minigame. Since my war started with ''low support'' im guessing it impacted on how many enemy units spawned? Or was it a negative debuff? Because they had about the same units as i had if not even more. And i started by picking ''support army'' on pre game before the story started.

[Duckman]

Originally posted by Dietze:

@Void: War? What War? Romus the Peacefull here. XD Due to a combination of shrewd negotiations, smart politicking and currying international favour I NEVER had to deal with a war. Wheter external nor internal. Though I think I was reasonably well prepared for either.

Like there were a few hiccups and I never found concrete evidence for my father's death and I DID have suspicions about Lucita (then again I was 'only' 92% sure of Titus being on my side), I have to say I was quite pleased.

Yeah there were some issues and the end came basicly unanounced and the 'Son we need to pack our things and run away!' by the Queen Mother came out of the blue as while there were issues in Iza and some upheaval over some citizens being not treated equally, it never reached a boiling point and the vast majority of people supported me.

Still a bummer that I couldnt take a more pro-active approach on Iza when ♥♥♥♥ boiled over. (as Rico quite evidently failed to bring the situation under control even with Central Police support, at that point I would have wished I could have pulled the plug on that [on threat of angering Hugo and Rico] and tried to find a solution with Manus. Also weird there was never a scene/chance to adress the change of tides regarding Vina marrying Axel.)
And then of course the whole affair with Pales, Lespia and our 'great cooperation' when it litterally took international judication to force them to accept a 50/50 deal.

I took the Pales to arbitrary court in AN, and had every interactable country in the game supporting me except Lespia, then the game just tells me i lost cause all of the other imaginary countries that are not even in the game and are members of ATO voted against me. So i decleared war on Pales. Games makes no sense, i was even more furious with the DLC than with the main game.

Also the HRE made no sense to me because at points of the game i was full whrucest but at othe points i made concessions to Whelen and Derdia and supported every religion and still i became a holy roman king wearing nothing but priest robes.

Whelen also did not honor the deal for devolution of Zille after 3 years (i had good relations with whelen), and i had it resolved peacefully agreeing with all his requests while supporting ATA and pro rizia on the side. And he used the AN against me, denouncing that he somehow found out i was supporting rizia movements while he himself was doing stuff, so the AN just shove thei hand up their ass and i never got Zille back, which in turn made me leave the AN forever (theres decision to leave AN).

The game also texts you on how everything went wrong and you had to face a dozen of negative outcomes that you had no way to dodging. Want Zille back? Sure make a deal and the game gives it a negative outcome even after the deal. I also nationalized the MITZ, and took a 40% share, but did i know Lespia would enter in direct war with me cause of that? (I did in retaliation of Lespia politics). No cause the game does not explain nationalizing will give a negative outcome in the war. Throught the entire game i was just so mad and furious out of not being able to get a decent outcome based on the dialogue choices i made.

Valgsland supported me in Aureus case and we got a deal, but did they ever support me in everything else in the game? There was not even an option to ally them or have diplomatic talks, even though they sent me their ships. Nope, they just abstained on the votes instead of allying against Lespia. That made no sense as well. It feels like Lespia bought the game´s outcome tbh.

[AutumnLeaf]

Originally posted by Dietze:

@Void: War? What War? Romus the Peacefull here. XD Due to a combination of shrewd negotiations, smart politicking and currying international favour I NEVER had to deal with a war. Wheter external nor internal. Though I think I was reasonably well prepared for either.

Like there were a few hiccups and I never found concrete evidence for my father's death and I DID have suspicions about Lucita (then again I was 'only' 92% sure of Titus being on my side), I have to say I was quite pleased.

Yeah there were some issues and the end came basicly unanounced and the 'Son we need to pack our things and run away!' by the Queen Mother came out of the blue as while there were issues in Iza and some upheaval over some citizens being not treated equally, it never reached a boiling point and the vast majority of people supported me.

Still a bummer that I couldnt take a more pro-active approach on Iza when ♥♥♥♥ boiled over. (as Rico quite evidently failed to bring the situation under control even with Central Police support, at that point I would have wished I could have pulled the plug on that [on threat of angering Hugo and Rico] and tried to find a solution with Manus. Also weird there was never a scene/chance to adress the change of tides regarding Vina marrying Axel.)
And then of course the whole affair with Pales, Lespia and our 'great cooperation' when it litterally took international judication to force them to accept a 50/50 deal.

Dispose Rico with in Iza that gonna make Hugo absolute loyal to you after said you didnt intend to send him to wehlen

Then use Golden guard to investigate Zillie and got the Lespia spy who plan the bomb and blackmail alvarezz

Fund ATA when the time close to it's return use AN and make yourself a victim(which is are) so AN can send their peacekeeping force to you,btw everybody hate smolak and gonna vote favour to you even ♥♥♥ head Alvarez

When reform make the kingdom like UK so they have a little bit power but the law still democratic it also prevent you from coup

Never go to war it gonna stain your image in the international forum

Make Lucita Son the Heirs,Vina mad at you but you uphold tradition and she cannot do anything about it

Note : if you marry her to Axel you gonna unified pales and rizia

Wehlen wouldnt dare to attack you since your image is so good even contana Refrain to help funny man smolak

[AutumnLeaf]

Believe it or not i hate Vina wanna be Lyza attitude like girl cant stop making herself to be Lyza

[AutumnLeaf]

Originally posted by Void:

Originally posted by Dietze:

@Void: War? What War? Romus the Peacefull here. XD Due to a combination of shrewd negotiations, smart politicking and currying international favour I NEVER had to deal with a war. Wheter external nor internal. Though I think I was reasonably well prepared for either.

Like there were a few hiccups and I never found concrete evidence for my father's death and I DID have suspicions about Lucita (then again I was 'only' 92% sure of Titus being on my side), I have to say I was quite pleased.

Yeah there were some issues and the end came basicly unanounced and the 'Son we need to pack our things and run away!' by the Queen Mother came out of the blue as while there were issues in Iza and some upheaval over some citizens being not treated equally, it never reached a boiling point and the vast majority of people supported me.

Still a bummer that I couldnt take a more pro-active approach on Iza when ♥♥♥♥ boiled over. (as Rico quite evidently failed to bring the situation under control even with Central Police support, at that point I would have wished I could have pulled the plug on that [on threat of angering Hugo and Rico] and tried to find a solution with Manus. Also weird there was never a scene/chance to adress the change of tides regarding Vina marrying Axel.)
And then of course the whole affair with Pales, Lespia and our 'great cooperation' when it litterally took international judication to force them to accept a 50/50 deal.

I took the Pales to arbitrary court in AN, and had every interactable country in the game supporting me except Lespia, then the game just tells me i lost cause all of the other imaginary countries that are not even in the game and are members of ATO voted against me. So i decleared war on Pales. Games makes no sense, i was even more furious with the DLC than with the main game.

Also the HRE made no sense to me because at points of the game i was full whrucest but at othe points i made concessions to Whelen and Derdia and supported every religion and still i became a holy roman king wearing nothing but priest robes.

Whelen also did not honor the deal for devolution of Zille after 3 years (i had good relations with whelen), and i had it resolved peacefully agreeing with all his requests while supporting ATA and pro rizia on the side. And he used the AN against me, denouncing that he somehow found out i was supporting rizia movements while he himself was doing stuff, so the AN just shove thei hand up their ass and i never got Zille back, which in turn made me leave the AN forever (theres decision to leave AN).

The game also texts you on how everything went wrong and you had to face a dozen of negative outcomes that you had no way to dodging. Want Zille back? Sure make a deal and the game gives it a negative outcome even after the deal. I also nationalized the MITZ, and took a 40% share, but did i know Lespia would enter in direct war with me cause of that? (I did in retaliation of Lespia politics). No cause the game does not explain nationalizing will give a negative outcome in the war. Throught the entire game i was just so mad and furious out of not being able to get a decent outcome based on the dialogue choices i made.

Valgsland supported me in Aureus case and we got a deal, but did they ever support me in everything else in the game? There was not even an option to ally them or have diplomatic talks, even though they sent me their ships. Nope, they just abstained on the votes instead of allying against Lespia. That made no sense as well. It feels like Lespia bought the game´s outcome tbh.

Do you accept valgsaland navy offer if you do they gonna make your international image stain you need to be neutral and seen as the good guy in every conflict

Also Smolak deal just choose the neutral one it would help your integrity and AN gonna support you don't forget help Morella and Derdia to calm down their conflict

[The Zodiac Gamer]

Originally posted by Star Fetcher:

Vina is a whiny shrew.
Just marry that blonde bombshell of a warrior queen Lucita and make a son with her lmao.

Yeah sidelining Vina by having a son with Lucita seems the best way (stabilises the nobility and keeps that petulant girl off the throne). She's still less annoying than Monica though (holy hell was she insufferable and a one track mind).

[MoreEvilSquid]

Despite some dodginess (which I suspect are some bugs still), I ended up doing really well economically despite fighting a war in Pales (which I eventually won), plus sending a lot of support to my fellow GRACE buddy to help him win his war (which we also won).

My GRACE trade ended up back at 3 after dropping to 1 at one point, and I was also making extra budget via trades to Morella, Wehlen and Derdia.

I did keep worker's rights awful, which allowed me to buy a bigger stake in RRG, so that increased to 3.

Plus profits from the MITZ remained steady due to supporting nationalism and then buying out Assvarez.

Smollie returned Zille without contest due to useful trade + helping against the troublesome Bluds (which caused minor tension with Queen Livvie but not enough to affect GRACE trade, nor an initial (generous) helping of military support - though I couldn't get any of her "special" support due to these policies but didn't need them in the end, and I suspect using the "special" support would have made the AN annoyed - there were already some whiners about "war crimes", probably because we didn't let the reporters in (which was due to safety and not to cover things up or anything, people are so suspicious)).

Ended up dissolving the half-assed "parliament" we had, but only had two people to execute at the end, one of them being Axel for forcing me to invade which may have lead to some war crimes, which was of course his fault so executed him for crimes against humanity.

Unfortunately took the advice to get rid of Vina's suitor via sending him to the front, the poor girl ended up both alone and without power due to me getting a son with Lucita. I feel bad for her, but considering that Sazon's troops were "support" troops that never actually attacked anything directly, it's likely he would have survived, so don't see why she can't marry him now that he's done his duty - especially since she's no longer relevant succession-wise and the "parliament" is no more.

Definitely guaranteed no chance of a coupe this way at least, despite some provinces really hating me (I replaced my useless racist cousin, but managed Iza centrally, so that probably didn't help as much as it should have).

[MoreEvilSquid]

Originally posted by Zodiac Gamer:

Originally posted by Star Fetcher:

Vina is a whiny shrew.
Just marry that blonde bombshell of a warrior queen Lucita and make a son with her lmao.

Yeah sidelining Vina by having a son with Lucita seems the best way (stabilises the nobility and keeps that petulant girl off the throne). She's still less annoying than Monica though (holy hell was she insufferable and a one track mind).

Yeah Vina is relatively reasonable. Apart from her incredibly naive idealism (indicating she should be kept away from any form of power at all costs), she can be reasoned with to some extent. Most of her anger outbursts are completely understandable, unlike Monica who is just a massive manipulator.

[votadc]

Originally posted by Star Fetcher:

Originally posted by TornadoADV:

Imagine having successfully created the South Merikopa Alliance, having the most powerful Navy outside of Vagsland, having so much authority, money and energy rolling in that you can't spend it all, win Zillies back by Referendum and marry Pales back into the Kingdom. Then have House Azaro try to coup you because you made an exception for your daughter to retain the throne instead of naming your son.

They fail and the game magically says it turned into a stalemate with nobody in your alliance coming to help.

What a joke, fix your DLC.

Vina is a whiny shrew.
Just marry that blonde bombshell of a warrior queen Lucita and make a son with her lmao.

I did. Vina escaped despite I allowed her to be in council and marry Manus. I even made Manus a man rather than a weakling sending him in the victorious war against Pales. See no reason to make exception if I have a son.

[AutumnLeaf]

Originally posted by Inquisitioner:

I had the same - but other heir choice - experience. I tried reloading and replaying while switching up choices and nothing.

In my case I went with the son and then got coup d'etat by my OWN house. This despite my obviously guaranteeing the off-spring being part of the Toras house since its not matrilineal. I further took every single step towards giving House relations boost and having Su Omina both being fully supported and loyal to the crown throughout the whole game.

Freaking joke. You'd think the great unifier of Pales and Zhille that always prioritized his own house would at least get a call before literally being shot to death by his own blood for choosing his own blood.

Guess I should've literally purged my uncle and nephew since nothing pleases them but death?

You need to dispose Rico,frame him using golden guard and blackmail Lespia when Zillie investigation done in theory you can take rusty or tell them to back of the sanction

Hugo will loyal to you and threat Rico to wehlen will make him owe you(you could said Rico will die in rizia)