Is there any benefit?

[Heichi]

ATA and GRACE repeatedly ask for more and more resources, but I don't see any benefit from them by the time I've gone broke. What do you get out of supporting them?

[Disturbed]

ATA can bring you Zille back peacefully if you hold a referendum there. Didn't see any gain from Grace ressources poured into the civil war.

[Heichi]

To hold the referendum there, do I just keep funding the civil ATA there?

[Disturbed]

Originally posted by Heichi:

To hold the referendum there, do I just keep funding the civil ATA there?

No, the referendum triggers when Smolak tries to renegotiate on the ariship the Zille return if you managed to strika a bargain beforehand. If you want to "win" the referendum without any cheating or intervening then you fund the ATA aka 3 times and scerue the win.

[Heichi]

But when we negotiate the first time he says no even if the slider is in the + section.

[Playerjjjj]

Originally posted by Disturbed:

Originally posted by Heichi:

To hold the referendum there, do I just keep funding the civil ATA there?

No, the referendum triggers when Smolak tries to renegotiate on the ariship the Zille return if you managed to strika a bargain beforehand. If you want to "win" the referendum without any cheating or intervening then you fund the ATA aka 3 times and scerue the win.

I was able to get Zille back peacefully without full ATA funding (I only funded them twice) *or* a referendum. I was relentlessly pro-Whelen all game, plus I passed the immigrant naturalization and work visas decrees. Wiktor straight-up gave me Zille on the airship.

My guess based on this is that ATA funding only benefits you if Smolak isn't happy enough with you to follow through with the deal. It, and the whole referendum process, is a fallback strategy if you'd rather not lick Whelen's boots all game long.

GRACE aid seemed totally useless. I ended up allying with my neighbors and getting kicked out of GRACE anyway; it was a waste of resources. GRACE trade had already declined to 0 by then, so I lost nothing. Maybe you can get some kind of return in an absolutist run?