Ending Bugged - Always Coup?

[MrSmiley]

I've played through the game twice now, 3.0 and 3.0.2 and both seem to always end in a coup that comes from nowhere. With the second time, after Rizia is fully put back together and everyone seems happy with my rule, my lover who is pregnant with my son along with her entire house suddenly coups because I didn't name the son my heir, at which point I fight a long on-going war, and have an ending speech about my son being the future?

Then I reload the save and name the son my heir and instead I get a country-wide revolution? It's the exact same problem I had when Suzerain first came out. For some reason the developers want to give you the Game of Thrones ending with no foretelling or way to stop it.

I don't understand why the developers do this to themselves - either I must be stupid or they write 90% of a great story then just ♥♥♥♥ you over in an ending, which just ruins the entire story you've just played.

[Fewher]

Publicado originalmente por KharnTheKhan:

Publicado originalmente por Obi Hung Kenobi:

This. I got F by house Azaro too in the weirdest way possible. Like I romanticized the blonde as much as I could, strength military, did everything but invade pales for them and still got screwed over in the end for somehow without explanation founding out about my reform.

They need to fix this. Also *sorry I dont remember her name* the blonde head of Azaro u can easily win early game to ur side but then she says her dad is coming back and its not happy but u can get couped by him without ever even meeting him. Its kinda lame, crazy and out of nowhere changing n entire house perspective cause this dude suddenly came out of a coma so all ur effort winning them over its like reset?

Idkl

Yeah you broke traditional laws, Law of Rizia is male inherits, Women cant, But If you only have the daughter then yes you can name her heir. No wonder you got coup'd, and invading pales will make them forever loyal, thats their main goal of the game

edit: I realize this response was to the other guy, But can cross reference it

Doesn't seem to matter, I disowned my daughter and had my new male heir (From House Aza) designated as the proper heir and then House Tor couped me instead.

You just cant win with these coups lol

[Stinkyjim]

There are definitely things that should prevent a coup from a faction entirely. Marrying into house azaro shouldn't be a red herring that gives you a false sense of security it should actually matter in the game for example

[Eisäck]

was so funny getting couped by my wife, put into prison, then being released and the game commenting on my returning to my loving wife :D

[Obi Hung Kenobi]

Publicado originalmente por Stinkyjim:

A warmonger choice at the start of the game would definitely be nice. Establish immediately with your councilors that you intend to go to war no matter what and have them simply prepare for that instead of making you jump through diplomacy hoops you don't intend to jump through

Yeah its kinda of a letdown just how many diplomatic options you have to go through. The game offers so many opportunities to compromise that you have to be a complete D to go through with it, cause even your war advisor for the first half tells you not to lol.

[Stinkyjim]

Publicado originalmente por Obi Hung Kenobi:

Publicado originalmente por Stinkyjim:

A warmonger choice at the start of the game would definitely be nice. Establish immediately with your councilors that you intend to go to war no matter what and have them simply prepare for that instead of making you jump through diplomacy hoops you don't intend to jump through

Yeah its kinda of a letdown just how many diplomatic options you have to go through. The game offers so many opportunities to compromise that you have to be a complete D to go through with it, cause even your war advisor for the first half tells you not to lol.

Yeah I noticed the same thing. The game is basically railroading us into not going into war but then we're coup'd by Azaro in the future for not going to war. It's a bad design

[elandread]

Publicado originalmente por Eisäck:

was so funny getting couped by my wife, put into prison, then being released and the game commenting on my returning to my loving wife :D

Yup, happened to me as well. Lucita orchestrated a coup and seized power, but then somehow also went with me to rural exile after I was released from prison. This needs to be fixed.

Also it's deeply disappointing that it's underlined on multiple occasions how she loves you, but then she just goes on with the coup out of the blue without even attempting to talk about it.

[Das Boot]

I got the coup ending too. In my first playthrough I couldn't afford to restore the Golden Guard to its full strength. If I had, would it have been enough to win the coup?

Or is the only way to avoid it to not get close to Lucita in the first place?

[Johnny 5]

Mine was weird during the coup it said lucita had called in the army but she was in a tunnel with me. I think the triggers broke quite badly

[Recett]

Always coup aside, the coup ending seems railroaded as hell (or, to hell.). In my version, I pissed House Toras off:
- Formed Intermekoum Alliance (With 3 others) to stay neutral between ATO and CSP, they decided tp just let Lespia and ATO intervene anyway. Only Wehlen answer the call.

- Despite all the good I did for the kingdom, only House Sazon answered the call to arms. No mention of House Azaro.

- No mention of who supported the coup. Apparently House Toras and Su Omina alone managed to conjure enough magical troop from thin air and to hold the capital for years, a feat that even Pales failed.

- Civil wars always follow the coup. No mention of how or why. Is it just House Toras? Are they that strong? Or did they have support from some other faction?

- Also, apparently there is no hint or anything. I know that suprise and secrecy is a coup's greatest strength, but why there isn't an option to fund SSP? (or have the Golden Guard act in that capacity)

All in all, unlike the base game where support and opposition are properly counted, here only opposition count when it comes to coup ending.

P/s: Never mind fixing the coup, I'd advise you to remove it entirely. Yes, I am not kidding. This is especially horrible because it happens after winning against Pales. Like, imagine winning against Rumberg only to have the one coup you before the second election while every other faction act like "Rayne who?". It is that bad. The kind of ending that negate everything you have done.

P/s2: Or if you insist in making a coup and civil war, let us fight it out on battle map, with enemy force based on how much support they have. We have a battle system now, there is no reason to use a "You lose. Deal with it" black screen.

[Stinkyjim]

Agreed. There's clearly too much of a mess with all the various factors right now. Maybe when things are untangled put coups back in the game and explicitly tell us why they happened. There's just not enough information given to us about anything in the game right now. Even decrees come with hidden costs and effects

[samuel]

I just played one playthrough and while things didnt go great, bad economy, losing war, there was no coup or even threat. In the main game ti is very hard to not get couped or killed. This DLC seems easy, to avoid coup, without even knowing what to do and screwing the country up

[stm8022]

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Nowak:

Hello. The coup checks have been balanced and improved with latest update. We are still open to feedback as always as we improve and plan future updates.

Thanks for your understanding.

Alright, so on my 3.03 playthrough:
- i'm generally supportive of House Azaro

- i get along swimmingly with Lucita, to the point of putting her in charge of intelligence service and getting intimate

- i get 100% access to the new gas thing and send Vina as envoy to spy on Pales

- then Lucita out of a blue goes full re*rd and does false flag operation to start a war right before we get the access to the gas, and while our military is weaker than Pales'. An absolutely dumb move for a supposed military professional who should realize it'd make much more sense to actually get the gas first and use the money to build up the force and maybe then give me head-ups and stage the false flag thing in case my obvious diplomatic approach doesn't work. But that's beside the point.

- the investigation discovers her sorry, dumb ass and i put her in jail and conclude things peacefully rather than suicide the country over it. (It's btw incredibly disappointing the game doesn't even bother to ask if maybe you'd like to even once visit your former lover in prison and ask why she was so stupid and whatnot, but that's too beside the point, so moving on)

- i put old Azaro back on the council and am nothing but the most respectful with him and make it clear to him that i regret how stupid his daughter was and i'd be more than happy to release her if she ever recognizes just how stupid she was.

- the country generally remains single-religion feudalist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it always was, with only few most basic reforms passed near the end to calm down the rabble who was ready to get to streets in millions.

- i win the referendum in Zille without even having to cheat and get it all back. Vina and Axel marry (Axel gives up on his name so it's still Toras in both bloodline and name) and then Pales becomes our new province because they actually *want* to, without me even having to ask.

- at which point House Azaro shows up in the middle of the night and coups me.

Now, could you maybe explain *what in these supposedly now balanced coup checks specifically decided this idiotic outcome*? Because the only thing i can think of is the old Thaddeus just being absolutely sore over how this new king have achieved without firing a single shot what he completely failed at few decades ago.

[Majima Kun]

Publicado originalmente por stm8022:

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Nowak:

Hello. The coup checks have been balanced and improved with latest update. We are still open to feedback as always as we improve and plan future updates.

Thanks for your understanding.

Alright, so on my 3.03 playthrough:
- i'm generally supportive of House Azaro

- i get along swimmingly with Lucita, to the point of putting her in charge of intelligence service and getting intimate

- i get 100% access to the new gas thing and send Vina as envoy to spy on Pales

- then Lucita out of a blue goes full re*rd and does false flag operation to start a war right before we get the access to the gas, and while our military is weaker than Pales'. An absolutely dumb move for a supposed military professional who should realize it'd make much more sense to actually get the gas first and use the money to build up the force and maybe then give me head-ups and stage the false flag thing in case my obvious diplomatic approach doesn't work. But that's beside the point.

- the investigation discovers her sorry, dumb ass and i put her in jail and conclude things peacefully rather than suicide the country over it. (It's btw incredibly disappointing the game doesn't even bother to ask if maybe you'd like to even once visit your former lover in prison and ask why she was so stupid and whatnot, but that's too beside the point, so moving on)

- i put old Azaro back on the council and am nothing but the most respectful with him and make it clear to him that i regret how stupid his daughter was and i'd be more than happy to release her if she ever recognizes just how stupid she was.

- the country generally remains single-religion feudalist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it always was, with only few most basic reforms passed near the end to calm down the rabble who was ready to get to streets in millions.

- i win the referendum in Zille without even having to cheat and get it all back. Vina and Axel marry (Axel gives up on his name so it's still Toras in both bloodline and name) and then Pales becomes our new province because they actually *want* to, without me even having to ask.

- at which point House Azaro shows up in the middle of the night and coups me.

Now, could you maybe explain *what in these supposedly now balanced coup checks specifically decided this idiotic outcome*? Because the only thing i can think of is the old Thaddeus just being absolutely sore over how this new king have achieved without firing a single shot what he completely failed at few decades ago.

Calm down lol, did you not fund any military factory or expansion projects? The game is very biased on those. Any decree that Lucita disproves is a dock against the Azaros. She is against most welfare decrees and is always against selling arms.

If you can take away provincial levies and police and centralise them. I've done two test runs and I am pretty sure taking away these two functions very much like purging the general staff in Sordland (weakens military but greatly reduces coup chance).

With that being said I hope there is a way to include more military investment in the main scenes, and maybe let Lucita *not* hate almost every single effing decrees that helps the Rizian people.

Investments in Sordland was a bit easier since the military can be checked in place with choices that are on rails. In Rizia it's almost impossible to not let the military coup you if you want to focus on a diplomatic run without much military investment.

[Zortag]

Just finished my first run at it, reunited the country, no war (I guess I need another run to check out the mechanics), no coup at the end, Vina, not my son as my heir.

As a quick observation - I found the writing clunkier than in Suzerain. There were many time where the comments being made did not align with decisions that had just been made, which led to things feeling pretty railroady. But this is not a review.

This is how it went. Obviously, many spoilers ahead.

I kept Vina involved in the council and approved her courtship of Sazon in the hopes of solidifying ties to that house. Ended up marrying her off to the Duke in the hopes of reunification with Pales.

I focused on diplomatic resolutions for the Zilles and Pales situations. Dealt with Smolak's ♥♥♥♥ with a smile on my face the whole time, funded the ATA but stayed away from provocations. Used Rumburg to put pressure on him, took a trade deal (didn't like the "negotiating power" minigame segment). Ended up with a 51% vote in the referendum and a peaceful reunion.

For Pales, I let them have the gasfield in exchange for 25% return from Lespia (backstabbing dickwad). Kept on smoothing things over, married off Vina matrilineally, reunited with Pales.

Order - I don't think I did any of the projects.

For Economy, I focused on energy projects and converting that into sweet monies. Gold mines, gas fields, hydro dams, coal mines. Had a very small energy surplus at the end, having traded most of it away to neighbours but had a massive +14 to my budget.

For Welfare, I mostly ignored it until I started getting messages late in the game about the largest protests in Rizian history. Bought off the peasants with some subsidies, waving the income tax and by the next turn that had all calmed down.

Military wise, I didn't do too much. Added some infantry units (had 10 divisions in the early part of the game, when things started to get heated (one of the chapter headings referred to going to war, took that as a warning sign), built a tank factory, maybe a support vehicle factory a few turns later, improved the port, funded the airbase but never bought new equipment or commissioned ships (I was mostly out of manpower anyways).

MITZ, sided with Lespia, held firm and rejected changes. At the last meeting, I made a side deal with Hegel to host bases because I thought that Lespia was going to backstab He false flags in Zille, then gets mad at me? Enemies for life bro me hard - ended up not happening.

Gave Hugo lots of props but deflected the idea of cousin marriage, never felt like house Toreas was particularly upset with me.

House Sazon, strongly considered the option of bribing him away by releasing his mother from exile, ended up just dropping the conversation. The opportunity for marriage to the Duke of Pales came up and Vina did the mature royal thing.

House Azaro - hard to read where I stood with them. I played nice with the House but did not warmonger, only build a few military factories there towards the end. I succumbed to Lucita's charms and married her. Titus came with evidence that she had killed my father, which she threw back on Titus. I admit that I peeked online to see that it was Sal whodunnit, even though there was no narrative reason or hint that this was the case. Suggested to the two of them that he might have done it, ordered Titus to keep an eye on him. The story wrapped up before anything else happened.

Regarding succession, I kept Vina as my heir, which greatly displeased my loving wife. Perhaps naming him after her grandfather helped because I kept everyone happy enough.

Final observation - despite acting like a staunch nationalist and monarchist, I ended up dead centre in the political spectrum at the end of the game. A little surprised and it leads me to think that the decisions that nudge those indicators could be spread out a little more.

Hopefully this helps others bring about a peaceful reunification.

***EDIT***
I may have spoken to soon. After my post, I loaded the last checkpoint again for funsies and was immediately couped by house Azaro.

[stm8022]

Publicado originalmente por Majima Kun:

Calm down lol, did you not fund any military factory or expansion projects? The game is very biased on those. Any decree that Lucita disproves is a dock against the Azaros. She is against most welfare decrees and is always against selling arms.

Oh, i *am* calm. And yes, i did fund military factory as well as issued a number of other decrees Azaros liked. Further to the point, Lucita is sitting in jail and whether she approves or disapproves matters at best to the rats she shares her cell with. To make it funnier, the game actually tells you that as long as she's imprisoned and you don't execute her, her father won't dare to go against you. Welp, we can see how that worked out.

If you can take away provincial levies and police and centralise them. I've done two test runs and I am pretty sure taking away these two functions very much like purging the general staff in Sordland (weakens military but greatly reduces coup chance).

As far as i can tell no, it doesn't make a difference, or at least it didn't in my case. I have reloaded that run and taken away both the provincial levies and the regional police, and the coup happens just the same, and the RiziaDLC.xxxxx_HasPowerToCoup variables remain set to true. Which makes the whole thing even dumber, because apparently noble house rendered toothless magically has power to go against full army and police forces of centralized country.

Regardless, my main point was to get answer from the developer what exactly caused the game to decide that the situation i've described warranted a coup in the first place.