Nails only being made with scrap is stupid

[KevoTheFello]

As the title states this is stupid, your telling me the blacksmith can make deadly swords with steel or iron but has to use "Scrap" to make nails, come on please add a way to make large amounts of nails with iron bars... please!

[@Ixxmantisxxl]

I got like 500 nails; You need nails that bad?

[Lootcypher]

shift and space makes 10 times nails at once btw

[LudwigVH]

Run around Nomad Highlands and Kindlewaste, break the furniture and decorations you see, get plenty of nails from them. These two areas have the most in terms of nails dropping. Can also get them from all the other areas of the map but in lesser quantity.

Considering the size of a typical nail, scrap makes sense and it's cheap on materials. Considering the materials needed to make one iron bar, the output of nails better be worth it. From my experience with crafting games, most of the time the output is not worth the input.

[[STD]Random Lead]

It is called a GAME. Games have progression gates.

[Sgt.JESUS]

Man after awhile scrap is abundant, every bandit ahole has like 6 or even 10, the cyclops have a ton, you wont know what to do with so much scrap, its like those cloths, you will throw them away.

[LudwigVH]

Originally posted by STDRandom Lead:

It is called a GAME. Games have progression gates.

Seeing how they have the Blacksmith already, they have cleared the gate. They just have to get out there, start killing stuff and breaking stuff, problem solved.

[Captain Canard]

Originally posted by KevoTheFello:

As the title states this is stupid, your telling me the blacksmith can make deadly swords with steel or iron but has to use "Scrap" to make nails, come on please add a way to make large amounts of nails with iron bars... please!

Agreed. There should be multiple recipes for certain things. I went out the other day and mined a bunch of coal so I could make coal dust, only to find out I needed CHARcoal to make COAL dust... And then I wonder, "Why can't I burn hardwood?" LOL

I see it as a reward for leveling up - we use scraps as a new player because that's all we have, but then we unlock more advanced ores and elements, and that should give us easier and more efficient recipes for those basic things that we always need like nails.

[CarsonTheOneAndOnly]

I just go to any of the scavenger's camps to farm scrap. I've got more than I ever need in a 30 minute scavenger hunt pun intended. really if your not okay with the grind, you probably have your difficulty settings at standard. you can double the amount of resources you get from enemies. if you need more, maybe just try building with other materials for blocks that compliment each other like the milled lumber blocks and plaster walls.

[KevoTheFello]

Originally posted by STDRandom Lead:

It is called a GAME. Games have progression gates.

Im ok with progression gates, I just think once you unlock Iron bars you should be able to make nails with them..

[KevoTheFello]

Originally posted by Sgt.JESUS:

Man after awhile scrap is abundant, every bandit ahole has like 6 or even 10, the cyclops have a ton, you wont know what to do with so much scrap, its like those cloths, you will throw them away.

I understand that im level 30 I think it shouldnt become a chore in the late game to go farm scrap metal to make nails when im at the point where im forging silver....

[Porked!]

+1 for more options.

Actually, they do have alternate recipe with differing efficiency already: the lockpick. I would love to see them expand on that, if they have the time of course.

[KevoTheFello]

Originally posted by Poked!:

+1 for more options.

Actually, they do have alternate recipe with differing efficiency already: the lockpick. I would love to see them expand on that, if they have the time of course.

Those are my thoughts I love building and decorating my base I just want options, going to mine iron takes up time, but just in a different form of game play. Plus it makes complete sense. It could be another recipe for the forge since it doesn't have many.

[Sgt.JESUS]

Originally posted by Poked!:

+1 for more options.
Actually, they do have alternate recipe with differing efficiency already: the lockpick. I would love to see them expand on that, if they have the time of course.

They have different recipes for the same material alright, but no recipe is done using multiple options of materials.

The only thing you will use scrap at higher levels is this, while iron bars are hard to make, iron is also used to make steel, so adding this option would problably make some players use iron bars thinking they are using scrap and cause a lot of confusion, thats imo of course.

[umop-apisdn]

Originally posted by Sgt.JESUS:

Originally posted by Poked!:

+1 for more options.
Actually, they do have alternate recipe with differing efficiency already: the lockpick. I would love to see them expand on that, if they have the time of course.

They have different recipes for the same material alright, but no recipe is done using multiple options of materials.

The only thing you will use scrap at higher levels is this, while iron bars are hard to make, iron is also used to make steel, so adding this option would problably make some players use iron bars thinking they are using scrap and cause a lot of confusion, thats imo of course.

I don't see any reason we couldn't have a "Nails from Scrap" recipe, a "Nails from Iron" recipe, and so on. It's something that has confused me from the early days of crafting games... If I can make this object out of tin (or scrap metal) on an "anvil" made out of rock, why can't I just as well make it out of steel on this other anvil which is also made of steel?

I understand progression, but an inability to make lower-tier items on a higher-tier workbench feels absurd... as does not being able to manufacture lower-tier items out of higher-tier materials.

Is bronze somehow a superior metal, as compared to steel?

Is a rock tied to a stick somehow better than a steel sledge?

Why can I only craft this particular item out of literal trash, when I can forge swords that would shame Muramasa, out of cyber-magic dragon-steel and carbon fiber?

It's ridiculous on its face... but every survival/crafting game has the same problem.

[Sgt.JESUS]

Ok that makes more sense, put them separately in the order, that would avoid the mix up alright, great idea, i like that, and could open the possibility for other types of recipes doing the same thing.