Native build for GNU/Linux

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Please release the base game, not only the server, for the GNU operating system!

While Proton is a cool hack, GNU/Linux has become amazing for gaming, besides surpassing the competition on everything else by a large margin.

No one should have to dual-boot M$ SpywareOS or run a compatibility layer in 2025.

Please support GNU!

[Beorn]

Great hope. But that won't ever happen, because some things you only get work using plain Windows. I really tried hard with Proton an different GE-Versions although, even bought a copy of CrossOver with high hopes, but when it comes to make iE Conan Exiles playable - which involves > 100 mods, or Ark SE - which is "only" 60 mods, trying to play The Division 2 and stuff like that, you either can live with extreme hickups and problems or go back to Windows sooner or later.
Currently i have a Dual-Boot Win/Lin, trying from time to time new Linux Distros (heck, even SteamOs) and getting "real" gaming to work on it and Windows when i (once again) have to give up.

I would love getting rid of this giant bloatware or spyware, but i don't see that happen any time soon.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Great dismissal. But you're wrong.

GNU/Linux has already become the best OS for gaming, for direct and objective reasons specific to gaming. If you add those to sustaintability, fair market competition, ethics, quality of life, and overall user experience, its far, far better.

Some things you can only run on a Mac, yet that doesn't mean everyone should give it exclusive support.

I maintain my request regardless to people with that same beaten down crap. Its been 30 years that "it will never happen", yet here we are, with the best OS available, and highly custumizable.

Go send resumés to Microsoft. They love killjoys and negative personalities.

[Faceplant]

Before you dismiss my comments as a "Microsoft fanboi", let me state that I've been running Linux since pre 1.0, when you had to download it on a stack of floppy disks to install it, and I probably have a dozen or so Linux machines of some sort or another pretty much within arms reach. Actually, probably closer to two dozen, since most everything runs Linux these days. I've also been programming professionally on Unix/Linux (pretty much exclusively) for 40 years.

First, it's not GNU Linux, as much as Richard Stallman want's it to be. Early Linux had many GNU utilities, and modern Linux still has many, but Linux is the kernel, and it is not GNU. Pretty much nothing that you would use in gaming is GNU either.

I don't know what the state of graphics drivers are these days, but that has always been a sticking point with Linux, especially for Nvidia. Have they really released a fully opensource, GNU licensed driver?

"GNU/Linux has already become the best OS for gaming, direct and objective reasons specific to gaming"

Do you have anything to back that up?

I will add that I'm rooting for AMD and SteamOS on the lower-end to push up and really become a viable platform, especially with the new APUs that they're releasing, but I've also been waiting for 30+ years for Linux to be a viable desktop OS, and here I am still running Windows on my desktop...

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

The operating system is GNU/Linux for us on the global South, as we value Liberty. Or just GNU, for short. Linux is the kernel for GNU and Android.

It is not "GNU/Linux" for Sillicon Valley corporations and techbros.

Stop hijacking the thread, hater.

Originally posted by Faceplant:

and here I am still running Windows on my desktop...

[Beorn]

Originally posted by Faceplant:

but I've also been waiting for 30+ years for Linux to be a viable desktop OS, and here I am still running Windows on my desktop...

Same over here. Started with Linux using SuSE 2.0beta - feels like a century ago, as my company had SGI Workstations that was the closest to get.

However, currently i switched my complete Dev-Environment over to Mac (ok, m4 is, when it's supported natively, blazing fast) and when i call it a day i switch over to my windows machine or just play using steam remote.

I really like linux, especially the open-source-part, so i may change things directly and do a build. Unluckily, like nvidia drivers, part is closed source, so no way to make things work sometimes.

Too sad Heitor just loves hating so much that he dismisses every answer that does not share his oppinion as invalid.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Originally posted by Beorn:

Too sad Heitor just loves hating so much that he dismisses every answer that does not share his oppinion as invalid.

No, it's sad that you haters are actively trying to hijack the thread with negativity and lies.

The discourse has been the same for decades. You guys never change.

So what if the other hater installed GNU/Linux on floppy disks? He says he uses Windows© on a daily basis.

There is currently millions of people gaming exclusively on GNU. I am one of those people.

There are hundreds of games in Steam that run natively on GNU.

You're trying to dissuade me (and others) from playing games on GNU, and trying to argument its not a viable option, when we are here, we exist, and we've been growing.

10 years ago people would still try to argument GNU/Linux wasn't "ready" for personal use. Now its gaming that keeps recieving the same identical hatred of 10, 20 and 30 years ago.

In the end you're just polluting the thread.

[oleg.dudka.2010.rus]

The only reason anyone considers linux as a "gaming" platform is because of proton and steam. Good luck trying to run any native game on a trainwreck of system dynamic libraries, with it's own zoo of these for every user and distro.

Also this thread is a bait. Or the author is a gentoo user.

[xethier]

enshrouded works great with GE-proton & proton hotfix.
while native support would be great, it's far from necessary and would probably be a waste of effort on the part of the dev team while trying to finish the base game.

not sure what the OP is trying to start with this, nor the wild and suspect comments in the thread.

as a brief note to the discussion :

windows is rapidly becoming irrelevant as microsoft pushes ever closer to becoming the back-end software support company they've always wanted to be.

linux as a desktop is entirely functional on every spectrum of requirement with even a minimal level of tech acumen.

[Faceplant]

Originally posted by xethier:

windows is rapidly becoming irrelevant as microsoft pushes ever closer to becoming the back-end software support company they've always wanted to be.

I believe what you're saying is that operating systems in general are becoming mostly irrelevant because most of what the average user does on a PC these days is in a web browser.

This is true, except in gaming, where Windows is still dominant. Not only is it the defacto standard for PC gaming, Microsoft actively supports gaming on their platform, which you can't say about Linux.

Linux isn't even on OS, it's a kernel that many OSs run on, and (AFIK) there is no company that actively supports gaming on a Linux platform, other than SteamOS, which isn't a desktop distribution, and they support that through hardware sales and games sales.

The competition in that space is growing rapidly, with handhelds both running SteamOS and some running Windows. The next few years will likely decide where that goes. Steam likely wins no matter what, so it should be interesting to watch.

Originally posted by xethier:

linux as a desktop is entirely functional on every spectrum of requirement with even a minimal level of tech acumen.

"entirely functional" is a good way to describe it.

As a point of reference, I never had to provide "tech support" to my son on his Xboxs, Windows PC, Switches, or any other gaming platform, but I definitely did on his Steam Deck.

The problem with Linux is the same as it always has been. Nobody wants to pay for it, and no one can "own" it, so no company is willing to fully invest in it.

Ubuntu, which is about as close as you can get to a commercially supported desktop Linux distribution, for example makes on the order of $250M in revenue, which is 1% of what MS makes off of Windows. MS also makes just about as much off of gaming as they do off of Windows sales.

IMO, Android is biggest success story of Linux, and that's simply due to Google finding a business interest in driving development in it, but it's far from fully open, and not designed for high-end gaming.

The point is not that Linux is bad, because it's certainly not, but that there needs to be a compelling business reason for a company to invest in supporting it, and no amount of Windows bashing is going to change that.

[Iron Man]

I think it al depends for wich platform the game has been developed and what architecture has been used for build.
Linux native works better on Linux of course; windows based games need Proton/Wine to be compatible. Evenmore graphic drivers are more implemented and developed for Windows. The Linux client still has some experimental challanges.
The more thing is, whom you want to trust. An operation system still trying to sell customers behavior to everyone willing to pay or a system still full of necessary but manual maintenance options. M$ is quite easy for beginners, but Linux won't sell your guts. ;-)

[xethier]

Originally posted by Faceplant:

Originally posted by xethier:

windows is rapidly becoming irrelevant as microsoft pushes ever closer to becoming the back-end software support company they've always wanted to be.

I believe what you're saying is that operating systems in general are becoming mostly irrelevant because most of what the average user does on a PC these days is in a web browser.

This is true, except in gaming, where Windows is still dominant. Not only is it the defacto standard for PC gaming, Microsoft actively supports gaming on their platform, which you can't say about Linux.

Linux isn't even on OS, it's a kernel that many OSs run on, and (AFIK) there is no company that actively supports gaming on a Linux platform, other than SteamOS, which isn't a desktop distribution, and they support that through hardware sales and games sales.

The competition in that space is growing rapidly, with handhelds both running SteamOS and some running Windows. The next few years will likely decide where that goes. Steam likely wins no matter what, so it should be interesting to watch.

Originally posted by xethier:

linux as a desktop is entirely functional on every spectrum of requirement with even a minimal level of tech acumen.

"entirely functional" is a good way to describe it.

As a point of reference, I never had to provide "tech support" to my son on his Xboxs, Windows PC, Switches, or any other gaming platform, but I definitely did on his Steam Deck.

The problem with Linux is the same as it always has been. Nobody wants to pay for it, and no one can "own" it, so no company is willing to fully invest in it.

Ubuntu, which is about as close as you can get to a commercially supported desktop Linux distribution, for example makes on the order of $250M in revenue, which is 1% of what MS makes off of Windows. MS also makes just about as much off of gaming as they do off of Windows sales.

IMO, Android is biggest success story of Linux, and that's simply due to Google finding a business interest in driving development in it, but it's far from fully open, and not designed for high-end gaming.

The point is not that Linux is bad, because it's certainly not, but that there needs to be a compelling business reason for a company to invest in supporting it, and no amount of Windows bashing is going to change that.

You should be glad to be providing tech support and to help elevate the technical capabilities of your family, not touting the ease at which your control was removed by the likes of the xbox and, for that matter, android. (which is about as linux as wonderbread is to whole-grain)

There's a large company supporting and pushing hard into gaming in linux. You're currently using their service to shill for corporate dominance by their main competition.

[Beorn]

The fun fact to think about is - when using linux on a daily basis as a gaming machine you are sure as hell using proton, which is nothing else than wine on steroids which is a windows emulation layer. which brings you back to kind of windows.
Just a thought..

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Originally posted by xethier:

enshrouded works great with GE-proton & proton hotfix.
while native support would be great, it's far from necessary and would probably be a waste of effort on the part of the dev team while trying to finish the base game.

not sure what the OP is trying to start with this,

Thanks for the info, but I'm still requesting native support. There are hundreds of amazing games on Steam with native support, and this should be one of them.

The only thing I'm trying to "start" is native support. You know very well trolls of the internet and how they behave. I already asked anyone without a constructive comment to leave and get a life. They'll get nothing from trying to talk trash about an operating system they marginally know about.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Originally posted by Iron Man:

The more thing is, whom you want to trust. An operation system still trying to sell customers behavior to everyone willing to pay or a system still full of necessary but manual maintenance options. M$ is quite easy for beginners, but Linux won't sell your guts. ;-)

Thanks for the reply, but the discussion is tangent to the main thread.

You are repeating a lot of misguided, widely available misinformation. Microsoft major operations run on a internal GNU/Linux of theirs. Every single AI company runs GNU/Linux, and we're talking about of trillions of dollars in a small sector here. The whole internet trusts the stability of GNU/Linux to run their operations. There is no problem of "trust".

Also, Microshaft Spywindows is only more familiar to people who have used it all of their lives. Out of the three major OSs, an easy, general GNU/Linux distribution like Linux Mint has a much smoother learning curve than the proprietary two.

But yeah, the whole point is: everyone trolling here have nothing to lose or gain. Its not their problem, and they should rethink the usage of their time.

[Faceplant]

Originally posted by Heitor Villa-Lobos:

But yeah, the whole point is: everyone trolling here have nothing to lose or gain. Its not their problem, and they should rethink the usage of their time.

Who is trolling here? I fought this fight 25 years ago (although I hope I didn't seem as offensive), but at some point you have to stop being Don Quixote and see the facts, which are that, yes, Linux won the OS wars. I'm sure MS makes more off of their Linux web services products than Windows now, so they're not the existential threat to Linux that they used to be.

There are still many reasons to not like Windows, but If really want to provide support for your request, you would be better served by supporting your request with facts, rather than Windows bashing.

You could start by supporting your assertion:

"surpassing the competition on everything else by a large margin"

Are there any direct comparisons between games running on Windows, and the same game running on the same hardware on Linux?