PvP?

[SteveLosive]

I mean, it would be so cool to allow friendly raids, with an on/off switch to allow Steam friends to raid your world while you're online. This would be so much fun tbh. There could also be stealth approaches since raiders will not be visible on the map.

[umop-apisdn]

Yup. Called it.

"About the only thing we're missing in the existing and planned mechanics is PvP, but you can bet those blighters will be along to cry until the devs give it to them before too much longer... at which point this game will dwindle and die, because there'll be nothing left to distinguish it from any other game in the genre."

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1203620/discussions/0/612032174956274802/#c612032512884998452

[SteveLosive]

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Yup. Called it.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1203620/discussions/0/612032174956274802/#c612032512884998452

You're not wrong, but there's nothing of this genre that has proper PvP. Minecraft, Valheim, you name it. They're mostly Solo/Co-op focused. I enjoy co-op, but I enjoy optional PvP a lot more. Usually games with PvP have so much restrictions and are limited to only PvP. Even Minecraft's vanilla PvP isn't that fun, because nearly everything is shared, while Valheim has somewhat better PvP in my opinion, it's more of friendly fire rather than actual PvP.

[umop-apisdn]

Originally posted by SteveLosive:

You're not wrong, but there's nothing of this genre that has proper PvP. Minecraft, Valheim, you name it. They're mostly Solo/Co-op focused. I enjoy co-op, but I enjoy optional PvP a lot more. Usually games with PvP have so much restrictions and are limited to only PvP. Even Minecraft's vanilla PvP isn't that fun, because nearly everything is shared, while Valheim has somewhat better PvP in my opinion, it's more of friendly fire rather than actual PvP.

Rust, ARK, Conan, 7D2D, Fortnite... what genre are you talking about that isn't full of PvP yahoos whining about balance and ruining other peoples' fun by ganking and griefing them? Where's the fun in building, when someone else can come along and destroy weeks of work in a few minutes?

If that's the sort of game you enjoy, go play one of those instead. Open your eyes and notice that every time PvP gets added to a popular game, the playerbase withers and dies, because anyone with any actual creativity leaves... and then all the PvP wankers get bored and leave, too.

Stop trying to force every actually good game into the same bland hyper-generic slop that rings the death knell for any actual gameplay there might have been.

[SteveLosive]

Originally posted by umop-apisdn:

Rust, ARK, Conan, 7D2D, Fortnite... what genre are you talking about that isn't full of PvP yahoos whining about balance and ruining other peoples' fun by ganking and griefing them? Where's the fun in building, when someone else can come along and destroy weeks of work in a few minutes?

If that's the sort of game you enjoy, go play one of those, instead. Open your eyes and see what happens every time PvP gets added to a popular game. Stop trying to force every actually good game into the same bland hyper-generic slop.

Bruh, chillax man. First of all, Shadow of War has raids system, and it didn't ruin the game, because it's optional lol.

2nd, these games you listed have had PvP since day 1 or planned it from day 1, and none of them are like Enshrouded, and the only game of the 5 you listed that's truly made with passion is Rust. ARK was an asset flip in its early days and now the full game with expansions is +300 GB, and don't forget the game breaking bugs.

3rd, just like I mentioned before, it should be optional with a "turn on/off" switch. Like it's a good to have and shouldn't be a core feature. These other games are on dedicated servers and don't have any form of local stored progression, and even the saved progress is merely stats and skins.

4th, The closest game to Enshrouded with PvP is Conan Exiles, but that game has been awful for long because of its bugs and glitches. They tried to copy WoW in a way but failed. Still, it's not a bad game, it's just unplayable for some because of its issues.

[PaPaKat]

why force the dev's to do something they dont want to? im extremely serious here. especially since it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE ADDED before it was even released.(stated by the dev's themselves)
i mean Conan and Ark and so on most of those are dying because of the very reasons that @umop-apisdn had said. in fact only 2% of conan players play with other people the other 98% play solo. all the toxic BS and cheaters will flood the game and ruin it like they do every other game out there.
go play another game that has PvP in it and leave this one alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SteveLosive]

Originally posted by PaPaKat:

why force the dev's to do something they dont want to? im extremely serious here. especially since it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE ADDED before it was even released.(stated by the dev's themselves)
i mean Conan and Ark and so on most of those are dying because of the very reasons that @umop-apisdn had said. in fact only 2% of conan players play with other people the other 98% play solo. all the toxic BS and cheaters will flood the game and ruin it like they do every other game out there.
go play another game that has PvP in it and leave this one alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG! Can't you people read the bloody post. I clearly said "optional PvP" with a bloody switch, and wtf do you mean by "forcing the devs"?? I'm simply making a sincere request, I'm not holding a gun to the devs and making demands.

Like seriously, your comments are so annoying simply because you didn't bother to even read what I had to say, but jumped to conclusions right after seeing "PvP" in the title.

Also, no, ARK and Conan aren't dead because of "the reason", which is PvP. These 2 games specifically failed because of their own reasons, and you can see these reasons in their reviews, not because of PvP. Yk how to tell? BOTH GAMES HAVE BLOODY SINGLEPLAYER!!! It's not like they're MMOs

The reason why these 2 games failed miserably is due to their gamebreaking bugs and glitches. Add to that, ARK is LITERALLY +300 GB as already mentioned earlier (if you bother reading). No one is willing to download a +300 GB buggy mess.

[arielwyndwalker]

This is not really a pvp type game. Plenty of those pvp games on the market for you play. Dev's said no pvp & they are making an exception & having some type of raiding island. Which 95% of us will not participate in. Games start allowing pvp & those games die pretty quick. Amazon's New World might be want you want. After 25+ years gaming, I have watched so many games die when they allowed pvp. The only exception for a long standing game is LoTRO. They have a monster vs player pvp that you can choose which to play. That has worked well for them.

[SteveLosive]

Originally posted by arielwyndwalker:

This is not really a pvp type game. Plenty of those pvp games on the market for you play. Dev's said no pvp & they are making an exception & having some type of raiding island. Which 95% of us will not participate in. Games start allowing pvp & those games die pretty quick. Amazon's New World might be want you want. After 25+ years gaming, I have watched so many games die when they allowed pvp. The only exception for a long standing game is LoTRO. They have a monster vs player pvp that you can choose which to play. That has worked well for them.

So, they're adding raiding islands, WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT I ASKED FOR!!

[Bansheedragon]

Originally posted by SteveLosive:

Originally posted by PaPaKat:

why force the dev's to do something they dont want to? im extremely serious here. especially since it was NEVER INTENDED TO BE ADDED before it was even released.(stated by the dev's themselves)
i mean Conan and Ark and so on most of those are dying because of the very reasons that @umop-apisdn had said. in fact only 2% of conan players play with other people the other 98% play solo. all the toxic BS and cheaters will flood the game and ruin it like they do every other game out there.
go play another game that has PvP in it and leave this one alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG! Can't you people read the bloody post. I clearly said "optional PvP" with a bloody switch, and wtf do you mean by "forcing the devs"?? I'm simply making a sincere request, I'm not holding a gun to the devs and making demands.

Like seriously, your comments are so annoying simply because you didn't bother to even read what I had to say, but jumped to conclusions right after seeing "PvP" in the title.

Also, no, ARK and Conan aren't dead because of "the reason", which is PvP. These 2 games specifically failed because of their own reasons, and you can see these reasons in their reviews, not because of PvP. Yk how to tell? BOTH GAMES HAVE BLOODY SINGLEPLAYER!!! It's not like they're MMOs

The reason why these 2 games failed miserably is due to their gamebreaking bugs and glitches. Add to that, ARK is LITERALLY +300 GB as already mentioned earlier (if you bother reading). No one is willing to download a +300 GB buggy mess.

What is it with you PVP people wanting PVP in every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game out there?
There are so many games out there with PVP in them, and more is coming, why can't you just play those games and let those who don't want or like PVP have games that do not involve PVP?
I can't remember the last time I saw a good PVE only game without someone coming and asking for PVP with completely unfounded claims about how it would make the game better.

And the thing with optional PVP, it has a nasty habit of becoming not so optional, because players will find a way to get around it and force it on those who don't want it.
Then there is the matter of balance, and no matter how you do it, there will always be a very loud minority who will never be satisfied.

As for Ark and Conan having single player, that just shows you don't understand the point.
Most people don't play those games for the single player, they want to play co-op with friends or other players, without the fear of some wannabe PVPer coming around and ganking them and destroying all their hard work.
I actually experienced it myself in ARK, where I joined an official server with a friend, it can't have been more than 15 minutes after we joined the server before someone came along and killed us both and destroyed what we had built, and there was nothing we could do to defend ourselves.
The server was listed as PVE, yet this happened despite that.

[PaPaKat]

Originally posted by SteveLosive:

Originally posted by arielwyndwalker:

This is not really a pvp type game. Plenty of those pvp games on the market for you play. Dev's said no pvp & they are making an exception & having some type of raiding island. Which 95% of us will not participate in. Games start allowing pvp & those games die pretty quick. Amazon's New World might be want you want. After 25+ years gaming, I have watched so many games die when they allowed pvp. The only exception for a long standing game is LoTRO. They have a monster vs player pvp that you can choose which to play. That has worked well for them.

So, they're adding raiding islands, WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT I ASKED FOR!!

so your final statment proves there was no reason for this post in the first place.
second there is NO INTENTION OF PVP BEING ADDED TO THE GAME!!!! this has been stated by the dev's ( if you would bother to read) before it was even released for play!
do some research before asking for something that was never intended to be in the game in the first place!
i do have ARK and Conan as well , i quit playing because of the lack of content and all the toxic egotistical BS that comes with PvP. i didnt have a "buggy mess" to start with and if you would actually check the facts you would see there hasnt been a decent update to either game in years and the stats i quoted to you about Conan players is directly from their site 98% of players want nothing to do with PvP.
im not going to waste my time building with any kind of raid in place. i will build a mote the NPC's cant get across and then i dont have to worry about it and completely destroy the functionality of anything dealing with it.
if you want to play with cheaters and hackers fine but i dont want to hear any complaints or crying about it when it happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SteveLosive]

Originally posted by PaPaKat:

Originally posted by SteveLosive:

So, they're adding raiding islands, WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT I ASKED FOR!!

i do have ARK and Conan as well , i quit playing because of the lack of content and all the toxic egotistical BS that comes with PvP. i didnt have a "buggy mess" to start with and if you would actually check the facts you would see there hasnt been a decent update to either game in years and the stats i quoted to you about Conan players is directly from their site 98% of players want nothing to do with PvP.
im not going to waste my time building with any kind of raid in place. i will build a mote the NPC's cant get across and then i dont have to worry about it and completely destroy the ......

Originally posted by Bansheedragon:

What is it with you PVP people wanting PVP in every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game out there?
There are so many games out there with PVP in them, and more is coming, why can't you just play those games and let those who don't want or like PVP have games that do not involve PVP?
I can't remember the last time I saw a good PVE only game without someone coming and asking for PVP with completely unfounded claims about how it would make the game better.
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You guys have a habit of commenting without reading the majority of the post or previous comments. So, here's it in 10 words:

• No Dedicated Servers
  
• Optional PvP
  
• Enshrouded is not a buggy mess

[PaPaKat]

you can rent or even host your own server
PvP was never intended to be in the game at all
your right its not a "buggy mess" but you said that ARK and Conan are ,
take your own advise and read whats POSTED

[SteveLosive]

Originally posted by PaPaKat:

you can rent or even host your own server
PvP was never intended to be in the game at all
your right its not a "buggy mess" but you said that ARK and Conan are ,
take your own advise and read whats POSTED

How about you go educate yourself on what does "Dedicated Servers" mean first?
Also, ARK and Conan are indeed a buggy mess. Look at the reviews, and I've experienced that in ARK myself. Plus, for the 4th time, ARK is +300 GB.

[PaPaKat]

dedicated server=never getting turned off so others can join when your not on.
which you can rent a server for or make your own if you have an extra PC.
ive got hundreds of hours in both didnt have half the problems complained about and fixed the rest by adjusting my settings.
there is cloud storage and you can also expand your storage...right now i have 9TB of storage so that little 300GB doesnt even make a dent in it.

the issues your listing are easily solved with a little work and proper research.

[SteveLosive]

Originally posted by PaPaKat:

dedicated server=never getting turned off so others can join when your not on.
which you can rent a server for or make your own if you have an extra PC.
ive got hundreds of hours in both didnt have half the problems complained about and fixed the rest by adjusting my settings.
there is cloud storage and you can also expand your storage...right now i have 9TB of storage so that little 300GB doesnt even make a dent in it.

the issues your listing are easily solved with a little work and proper research.

Alright Mr. Bruce Wayne, not everyone's got 9TB of storage. Also, no that's not really what dedicated servers are, and what you said about cloud storage, there's so much wrong with that I simply just can't argue with you anymore, sigh...