farming chest

[Cataclysm™]

tbh i think the farming chest thing... kinda ruined the game.... or maybe is just me... u can just bug in there to get high lvl gear instantly.... or even if you progress normally, once u get top gear you are basically god...and it takes of the fun... or maybe its just me that prefer the old school way.. killing boss, getting mats and craft.

[MeSSeD]

Originally posted by Cataclysm™:

tbh i think the farming chest thing... kinda ruined the game.... or maybe is just me... u can just bug in there to get high lvl gear instantly.... or even if you progress normally, once u get top gear you are basically god...and it takes of the fun... or maybe its just me that prefer the old school way.. killing boss, getting mats and craft.

na u are correct, i have 4 alters just setup for chest farming, gets old real quick, makes legendary weapons not so legendary lmao, they need to fix the loot system pretty bad imo

[MeSSeD]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Originally posted by MeSSeD:

na u are correct, i have 4 alters just setup for chest farming, gets old real quick, makes legendary weapons not so legendary lmao, they need to fix the loot system pretty bad imo

I've been playing for 100hrs+ now and still haven't gotten all the legendary items. Also if you're sitting there spamming chests, no duh it's gonna get boring.

we basically have all the max armour and not sure about weapons but would surely be close, its too easy to just reload, take gear, rinse and repeat

[Brady4444]

I'd rather be able to craft the best items. I hope they consider moving the items into our crafters and let the chests contain other loot like crafting items. Also, they could create an upgrade system that requires us to have rare items to upgrade a rare to legendary perhaps.

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by Cataclysm™:

tbh i think the farming chest thing... kinda ruined the game....

So don't open a chest twice or don't start farming this chest over and over again? And your game is "not ruined"? Problem fixed ...

EDIT: Your "old school way" by killing a boss is also farming, or? Think of MMORPGs like WoW "Looking for speedrun killing boss ... 5 minutes, only boss" ... or games like diablo, where you also speed killing bosses until you get your desired loot and so on?

[grinsekeatzchen]

For me it's because of the Farming Part. For me the Game isn't ruined when i find legy stuff, quite the opposite.

But i don't have the Patience and time to Loot the Same chest over and over.
It's also quite discouraging getting crap Loot Out of gold chests uu.

[Nerevar]

we will see if these devs are even aware of thier rng loot system beeing terrible and needeing for a complete redesign at its core. the roadmap shows me they dont seem to even have this on thier radar at all. and if that turns out true this game is done for as there is just no point longterm at all. and the same loot system will keep getting used just with higher levels each time.

pray thats not the case. otherwise may aswell delete the crafting system. as any further expansion of it will be invalidated by this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ rng loot system in the end.

chest farming isnt the issue. its the simple fact that finished top tier gear is ALL aquired from this loottable only. cannot craft rings or weapons at all basically. and the armor doesnt compare.

they tryed to appease multiple systems here and failed hard. as currently these systems cancel each other out entirely. there is methods to make them work together but currently i dont see these devs beeing creative enough to see these methods as that requires thinking from a player perspective to see. most game devs arent able to do that sadly.

[BoNeZ]

They ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up with this, why go through a big long dungeon when there are gold chests you can grab out in the open, you can even put a base right on them and farm away, the balance is atrocious and needs redoing, remove the gold chests and only bosses and dungeon should drop legendarys. Even the skill tree needs a rework along with 2 handed swords lol, and ranger companions!

As it stands they killed the game for the future as we now seen and got it all so easily, well done Devs lol

[Ọmen]

so y'all farm chests instead of playing normal, and the loot system is the problem?
how about self control?

[....]

Originally posted by Cataclysm™:

tbh i think the farming chest thing... kinda ruined the game.... or maybe is just me... u can just bug in there to get high lvl gear instantly.... or even if you progress normally, once u get top gear you are basically god...and it takes of the fun... or maybe its just me that prefer the old school way.. killing boss, getting mats and craft.

Originally posted by MeSSeD:

Originally posted by Cataclysm™:

tbh i think the farming chest thing... kinda ruined the game.... or maybe is just me... u can just bug in there to get high lvl gear instantly.... or even if you progress normally, once u get top gear you are basically god...and it takes of the fun... or maybe its just me that prefer the old school way.. killing boss, getting mats and craft.

na u are correct, i have 4 alters just setup for chest farming, gets old real quick, makes legendary weapons not so legendary lmao, they need to fix the loot system pretty bad imo

This is just comical.

So there is a way to cheese that will decrease your personal level of fun. You decide to do exactly that to the most extreme extent until you dont have fun anymore and then complain about an issue you created yourself?

Whats next - people complain about books because you can read the end before the start and remove the fun by spoilering the end?

[Nerevar]

removeing the chests wouldnt slove the underlying issue. the loottable is way too random and way too large. farming is the only counter to this silly level of rng. as people just wouldnt bother otherwise and stop playing. both leads to the same result. this means the underlying system is terrible design and needs to be changed entirely.

[....]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

we will see if these devs are even aware of thier rng loot system beeing terrible and needeing for a complete redesign at its core. the roadmap shows me they dont seem to even have this on thier radar at all. and if that turns out true this game is done for as there is just no point longterm at all. and the same loot system will keep getting used just with higher levels each time.

There is no issue for normal people with a bit of self-control.

How do many ppl surive in real life? There are lots of things that even harm yourself you can do and nobody will stop you - for example gambling, alcohole, the ability to read the end of a book and spoier yourself - you can also just eat as much unhealthy food as you want to.

How do you people deal with that in real life? Keep eating candy until you have to vomit and then complain about beeing able to do so? Playing a boardgame with other people and simply cheat or alter the rules to win and then complain that nobody was stopping you? You can also just throw away the boardgame midgame and you will never lose.

I dont farm those chest excessively for the same reason i dont read the ending of a book before i start. Its pretty simple. Also even chest farming isnt a real issue since i doubt high level chests will be so easy to get to without enemies and all you can farm now are low level chests - the max level later on is 40. It would even be bad if you couldnt farm them to some extent since you would miss 90% of the gear until you actually reach max level.

[....]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

removeing the chests wouldnt slove the underlying issue. the loottable is way too random and way too large. farming is the only counter to this silly level of rng. as people just wouldnt bother otherwise and stop playing. both leads to the same result. this means the underlying system is terrible design and needs to be changed entirely.

Then play a different game. This obviously is designed arround RNG loot which many people enjoy. I hate fixed loot games - i cant stand them at all but i still dont constantly buy those games just to complain about their core mechanics because i want a different game ... - but there are people who enjoy that and its a good thing that we have different games.

Why do people these days have such a hard time understanding the difference between "terrible design" etc. and personal preference. Just because you dislike something doesnt make it terible - its just your personal preference ...

If you dont like a specific book or sport - does that mean its terrible - or does that just mean that its not something you personally enjoy?

[....]

Originally posted by InvalidEntityName:

They ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up with this, why go through a big long dungeon when there are gold chests you can grab out in the open, you can even put a base right on them and farm away, the balance is atrocious and needs redoing, remove the gold chests and only bosses and dungeon should drop legendarys. Even the skill tree needs a rework along with 2 handed swords lol, and ranger companions!

As it stands they killed the game for the future as we now seen and got it all so easily, well done Devs lol

Its almost as if this game isnt meant to be a MMO that keeps wasting players time to sell them subscriptions and MTs ...

Also its funny how in a thread about people complaining about farming peopel suggest the worst sort of farming that is just made to waste peoples time as much as possible.

I also dont even understand your process of thinking - this isnt a PVP MP game - what would be the point of adding a layer of boring MMO like farming and locking items etc. to when the game is already finished? If you want endless grind and boredome go buy some modern MMO or even better F2P game.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by ....:

Originally posted by Nerevar:

we will see if these devs are even aware of thier rng loot system beeing terrible and needeing for a complete redesign at its core. the roadmap shows me they dont seem to even have this on thier radar at all. and if that turns out true this game is done for as there is just no point longterm at all. and the same loot system will keep getting used just with higher levels each time.

There is no issue for normal people with a bit of self-control.

How do many ppl surive in real life? There are lots of things that even harm yourself you can do and nobody will stop you - for example gambling, alcohole, the ability to read the end of a book and spoier yourself - you can also just eat as much unhealthy food as you want to.

How do you people deal with that in real life?

I dont farm those chest excessively for the same reason i dont read the ending of a book before i start. Its pretty simple. Also even chest farming isnt a real issue since i doubt high level chests will be so easy to get to without enemies and all you can farm now are low level chests - the max level later on is 40. It would even be bad if you couldnt farm them to some extent since you would miss 90% of the gear until you actually reach max level.

literally all of that is pure speculation on your end regarding the game and level 40 wont be the max level that was confirmed already its higher and nobody knows if the same methods wouldnt work anymore later thats just pure speculation and very unlikely given the mindset these devs showed so far.

but i dont waste time trying to reason with your type who try to excuse a terrible loot system that fully invalidates the crafting aspect of the same game. the "hurr durr just dont do it" mindset is plain ignorance of game design issues and only done by one type of player.

its terrible design because when you have 2 systems in the same game that fight each other you DO have a terrible design. and one of these 2 systems either has to go away or they need to be changed to work together. end of story.

thats all youll get from me. as i know denial is the next thing that happens from your type.

[Cataclysm™]

Originally posted by Skywalker:

Originally posted by Cataclysm™:

tbh i think the farming chest thing... kinda ruined the game....

So don't open a chest twice or don't start farming this chest over and over again? And your game is "not ruined"? Problem fixed ...

EDIT: Your "old school way" by killing a boss is also farming, or? Think of MMORPGs like WoW "Looking for speedrun killing boss ... 5 minutes, only boss" ... or games like diablo, where you also speed killing bosses until you get your desired loot and so on?

you are not getting the point, the point of is way too easy to get top gear... and to reply ur old school way, there are millions and millions of players that enjoy more than farm chest, its not about the time you spend farming one single boss, its about how easy/hard can obtain it, " legendary " how can u call legendary that it takes few runs to get it? if u played others mmorpg or even ARPG...it requires a least a small time of effort, not talking about WoW or ff14, those takes months but at least you have motivation to keep on going... and here... it takes fews runs... the loot system is just horrible