This game hurt my eyes, the devs need to do something

[Harmonium]

First game in my life, the brightness are too strong and hurt my eyes, its crazy.

[Dwarf80]

i just started the game and instantly my eyes told me this wasnt going to work, let alone how i was going to get any further to test anything else out. I am lucky i am using the Nvidia game filter since im using an nvidia card. Im able to adjust most of that part and filtering out alot of the blue in the game. I try not to use 3rd party stuff but this really made a diff for my game play. I know that everyone has different eye sights and seems all the games need to have that in mind with multiple adjustment filters, taking a lesson from Nvidias game filtering software. Should almost be a part of the Accessibility settings.

[Hands]

my SO and I both refunded this game after a 3 hour session. Both of us had crazy bloodshot eyes and major headaches from the lighting and low fps. Mostly though, its the fog. We both had the same issue with Mistlands in Valheim. It does not do your eyes any good trying to focus on depth in a 2d plane while most of the image is blurry from fog. it is already hard on the eyes to focus on perceived 3d objects on 2d planes, let alone add obscuring persistent fog. We changed all sorts of graphic options and they were all bad.

[captainamaziiing]

Originally posted by Hands:

my SO and I both refunded this game after a 3 hour session. Both of us had crazy bloodshot eyes and major headaches from the lighting and low fps. Mostly though, its the fog. We both had the same issue with Mistlands in Valheim. It does not do your eyes any good trying to focus on depth in a 2d plane while most of the image is blurry from fog. it is already hard on the eyes to focus on perceived 3d objects on 2d planes, let alone add obscuring persistent fog. We changed all sorts of graphic options and they were all bad.

Careful being critical of the Shroud. Some folks get really antsy when you say you'd like to be able to see your video game.

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Originally posted by captainamaziiing:

Originally posted by Hands:

my SO and I both refunded this game after a 3 hour session. Both of us had crazy bloodshot eyes and major headaches from the lighting and low fps. Mostly though, its the fog. We both had the same issue with Mistlands in Valheim. It does not do your eyes any good trying to focus on depth in a 2d plane while most of the image is blurry from fog. it is already hard on the eyes to focus on perceived 3d objects on 2d planes, let alone add obscuring persistent fog. We changed all sorts of graphic options and they were all bad.

Careful being critical of the Shroud. Some folks get really antsy when you say you'd like to be able to see your video game.

Because its absurd to buy a game with a core element thats even in its name just to say that you dislike it and want it gone.

Its like buying Call of Duty and complaining that you dislike the FPS aspects of it and want it to be removed in favor of RPG dialogue solutions without violence.

Bloom is a problem that will hopefully be resolved with a silder - its just too much especially on bigger high contrast screens. Its also annoying ingame and doesnt always work as intended - for example if you build bigger windows or bigger openings you actually cant see much often when you look in the wrong direction..

Limited visibility in the shrowd on the other hand is a core gameplay element - the same goes for actual nighttime where you need a lightsource. I always found it weird why many modern games even have nights and lightsources if in reality there is no need for them since its always bright.

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And may i add - its a big problem to me not only that its too much - its also implemented in a bad way to some extent - for example:

When you look from a cave to the outside (side where the most sunlight is) - the extreme bloom effect actually never goes away - it just stays the same all the time.

In RL you would neither have such extreme problems nor would it stay like this - in my example the eye would just adjust.

[....]

This is for an example a view from a cave - and that effect never adjusts ... (only when you go to the outside)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3176668052

[Akasha <3 Somats]

Originally posted by Beorn:

Yes, the fogs seem to have a bit too much bloom.
But when the game is too bright and hurts you eyes, just as a guess, you have a brightness control on you monitor you could use when no setting-override from your gfx card is an option.
So, less crying and blaming, more search for solultion is often more helpful.
Just my 2 cent.

Oh yeah because mentioning a huge problem that could have been fixed by now is considered crying gotcha. How about stop expecting people to do the devs job and they put an easy fix in the game that's simple. Not everyone wants to have to adjust their screen for one game and adjust it back every time if that even worked for them.

[Liralen]

I didn't realize I had a problem seeing things in the shroud until my husband and I started playing together. I noticed that he was shooting at mobs I couldn't see in the shroud. So, I thought, easy fix, reduce the bloom, which I've had to do quite often through the years.

Then I found that if there is bloom setting, I couldn't find it. And no, I'm not going to use an out of game solution to cure this problem when other games I play don't have this problem.

I'll play those other games instead. Problem solved.

[Humpenstilzchen]

Originally posted by ....:

This is for an example a view from a cave - and that effect never adjusts ... (only when you go to the outside)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3176668052

Ah yes.. I hate this effect so much. It´s just a pita and I hope we can disable it soon.

[Dark Thoughts]

Originally posted by Liralen:

I didn't realize I had a problem seeing things in the shroud until my husband and I started playing together. I noticed that he was shooting at mobs I couldn't see in the shroud. So, I thought, easy fix, reduce the bloom, which I've had to do quite often through the years.

Then I found that if there is bloom setting, I couldn't find it. And no, I'm not going to use an out of game solution to cure this problem when other games I play don't have this problem.

I'll play those other games instead. Problem solved.

I don't think the shroud fog being too dense is the same issue as the bloom. Now I'm wondering though if the fog thickness isn't normal, because a) fell archers can easily see & shoot at me when I can't even see them, and b) I quite often run straight into the red ♥♥♥♥ that grew over the water because I literally could not see the hole in front of me in time because of how dense the fog is. So maybe it isn't even supposed to be quite as dense as it is? At least apparently for some? Did you two directly compare the view distance with some static objects? Would be nice to see some comparison screenshots that show a direct difference & also send those through the bug report system if they're indeed different.

[Circuit]

Originally posted by Serenechaos:

Originally posted by Beorn:

Yes, the fogs seem to have a bit too much bloom.
But when the game is too bright and hurts you eyes, just as a guess, you have a brightness control on you monitor you could use when no setting-override from your gfx card is an option.
So, less crying and blaming, more search for solultion is often more helpful.
Just my 2 cent.

Oh yeah because mentioning a huge problem that could have been fixed by now is considered crying gotcha. How about stop expecting people to do the devs job and they put an easy fix in the game that's simple. Not everyone wants to have to adjust their screen for one game and adjust it back every time if that even worked for them.

It's fine to complain about a problem you're experiencing with the game. However, it is indeed crying to say it while including crap like the devs are lazy and aren't doing their job just because they haven't addressed your specific problem yet. It's childish and I hope nobody ever speaks that way to you at any job you might have. And if they do, would you think you'd be more likely or less likely to actually want to change anything about how you're doing your job?

As for the actual problem being discussed, I agree they could add graphics settings to alleviate it for people who don't like it. I don't have an issue with it, but I totally understand why someone would.

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Originally posted by Beorn:

Yes, the fogs seem to have a bit too much bloom.
But when the game is too bright and hurts you eyes, just as a guess, you have a brightness control on you monitor you could use when no setting-override from your gfx card is an option.
So, less crying and blaming, more search for solultion is often more helpful.
Just my 2 cent.

So you seriously think its an okay solution to constantly manually change the monitor settings you use for everything for a single game or to install something many people dont like (those nvidia tools whatever they are called)

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Originally posted by Circuit:

Originally posted by Serenechaos:

Oh yeah because mentioning a huge problem that could have been fixed by now is considered crying gotcha. How about stop expecting people to do the devs job and they put an easy fix in the game that's simple. Not everyone wants to have to adjust their screen for one game and adjust it back every time if that even worked for them.

It's fine to complain about a problem you're experiencing with the game. However, it is indeed crying to say it while including crap like the devs are lazy and aren't doing their job just because they haven't addressed your specific problem yet. It's childish and I hope nobody ever speaks that way to you at any job you might have. And if they do, would you think you'd be more likely or less likely to actually want to change anything about how you're doing your job?

As for the actual problem being discussed, I agree they could add graphics settings to alleviate it for people who don't like it. I don't have an issue with it, but I totally understand why someone would.

You dont have an issue with this?:

Originally posted by ....:

This is for an example a view from a cave - and that effect never adjusts ... (only when you go to the outside)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3176668052

This pretty much ruins bases with bigger openings since that effect also seems to have no distance limit - so even when im far inside my base it looks like someone trying to get the world record for lumens.

[captainamaziiing]

Originally posted by ....:

Originally posted by captainamaziiing:

Careful being critical of the Shroud. Some folks get really antsy when you say you'd like to be able to see your video game.

Because its absurd to buy a game with a core element thats even in its name just to say that you dislike it and want it gone.

Its like buying Call of Duty and complaining that you dislike the FPS aspects of it and want it to be removed in favor of RPG dialogue solutions without violence.

Bloom is a problem that will hopefully be resolved with a silder - its just too much especially on bigger high contrast screens. Its also annoying ingame and doesnt always work as intended - for example if you build bigger windows or bigger openings you actually cant see much often when you look in the wrong direction..

Limited visibility in the shrowd on the other hand is a core gameplay element - the same goes for actual nighttime where you need a lightsource. I always found it weird why many modern games even have nights and lightsources if in reality there is no need for them since its always bright.

Case in point.

When I buy a video game, I expect the video part to be video. Video. From the Latin 'vizier', meaning 'to see'.

If I buy a Call of Duty VIDEO game I expect to be able to see.
If I buy Hello Kitty Island Adventure VIDEO game, I expect to be able to see.

If I buy an alleged VIDEO game and I can't see, it's not actually a video game, it's a really lame audio game.

If I want an audio game I play my guitar. I still suck at guitar, but I play with my eyes closed. Because it's not a VIDEO game.

[Sanquin]

Yea the bloom from daylight while you're in a building or cave is way too bright. Could easily be halved and it'd look far better.

Though I think it has to do with the exposure the game seems to use. Where your "eyes" (the camera) gets adjusted to far higher light sensitivity while you're in buildings or caves. So not only would that have to be adjusted, but the global illumination inside structures would likely also have to be turned up more or caves it would become too dark.