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Reggie

Feb 26, 2024 @ 9:49am

2nd BIG update?

This is classed as the 2nd BIG update? all they really did was change a few numbers and make the weakest playstyle even weaker, they couldn't have tweaked a few magic numbers?

If they class this as a big update (Tweaking numbers) than we are in for some major disappointment in this games development.

Nothing new, performance still drops off, ridiculous forced bloom, and i also enjoy the lazy way they capped off weapons and upgrades, i have a lvl 18 one handed weapon that maxed out at 47 dmg after all its upgrades, ANY one-handed item i find that is lvl 22-25 is exactly the same as the lower level because they lazily set the maximum damage number too low.

It is pointless upgrading anything level 22+ because nothing changes, you just waste runes, lazy and sloppy implementation, yet with a Staff you can melt the entire world with one casting, this crew wouldn't know balance if it slapped them in the face.

Shame as i enjoyed some of the other mechanics but the game is finished/boring now, loot is pointless and poorly managed.

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captainamaziiing has Enshrouded

Feb 26, 2024 @ 10:08am

It sucks when a great art department is hobbled by less than great other departments. I too am dismayed at the latest patch, and have lost interest in playing any more. I love so much about this game, but then they stick a pencil in your eye for no reason whatsoever.

Nerevar

Feb 26, 2024 @ 10:38am

they didnt bother to include a few simple number tweaks and item fixes in this "BIG update" after the first entire month of release.

yet they slapped a nerf in that was absolutly unjustified in every way and screams "we have no clue what balance actually is everything is fine to us"

this sends very very wrong messages to the players dear devs.

while i can understand the fokus on the technical side of things tweaking or fixeing a few numbers is DEFINITLY something you can and SHOULD do at the side of doing this.

will leave the game behind for now too much other interreting stuff comeing the next few months but dear devs if you want this game to succeed longterm and not remain a gascloud release event like so many others you have to really step up patches and fixes and definitly balance and difficulty.

gl.

oulala

Feb 26, 2024 @ 10:55am

its indeed "underwhelming" for a big update, but at the same time, the game is supposed to be in EA for a year. and expecting they would pump out enough regular content to keep you continuously playing for that whole year is delusional.

as is thinking that ballancing is just about tweaking numbers. it takes testing, itterating, failing, trying again....

if theres one thing I know, devs are never "lazy", it's not like they go to the office and do nothing for a day.

Last edited by oulala; Feb 26, 2024 @ 11:04am

I-Chi

Feb 26, 2024 @ 11:03am

I thought it was a good update, some performance issues are difficult to fix and it looks like they spent time on those. I remember a particular game's devs having this World-Eater critical bug, had players in their Discord channel pointing out where in their code the bug was, and nothing was done for weeks.

Reggie

Feb 26, 2024 @ 11:51am

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:
Are you high? Are you smoking cinnamon flavored crack for the holidays? They just fixed major crashes for the game and you are QQ...

Thanks for the laughs.

QQ... ? is that supposed to mean i am crying?

Bob_Doe

Feb 26, 2024 @ 11:55am

Originally posted by Reggie:
Originally posted by PakaNoHida:
Are you high? Are you smoking cinnamon flavored crack for the holidays? They just fixed major crashes for the game and you are QQ...

Thanks for the laughs.

QQ... ? is that supposed to mean i am crying?

"questionably quizable"

Bob_Doe

Feb 26, 2024 @ 11:57am

Originally posted by Reggie:
Originally posted by PakaNoHida:
Are you high? Are you smoking cinnamon flavored crack for the holidays? They just fixed major crashes for the game and you are QQ...

Thanks for the laughs.

QQ... ? is that supposed to mean i am crying?

"querulous quack"

Humpenstilzchen has Enshrouded

Feb 26, 2024 @ 12:12pm

Originally posted by Reggie:

It is pointless upgrading anything level 22+ because nothing changes, you just waste runes, lazy and sloppy implementation, yet with a Staff you can melt the entire world with one casting, this crew wouldn't know balance if it slapped them in the face.

Hondo

Feb 26, 2024 @ 1:10pm

Well, the Dev's have this listed as a "regular update" not a Big update - not that that really matters. They continue to make tweaks and fixes to the game which is better than most. And I'm going to always max out my weapons because it is always worth it at some point in the game. Enemies keep getting stronger as you move through the game.

PlagueBrain has Enshrouded

Feb 26, 2024 @ 4:20pm

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:
Are you high? Are you smoking cinnamon flavored crack for the holidays? They just fixed major crashes for the game and you are QQ...

Thanks for the laughs.

Yeah, I came to say this too. They're still very clearly working on big bugfixes - the CTDs, no launches, big glitching,stuttering, mem leaks, performance issues, etc. That's the time-consuming stuff. It's much easier for them to tweak stats for systems they know are (at least mostly) working.

Arguably they could just be doing bugfixes and stiff everyone on everything else, but this one's maybe not a big *content* update, but it's a big stability update. Content doesn't matter if people can't actually, ya know, play the game.

Last edited by PlagueBrain; Feb 26, 2024 @ 4:20pm

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emitfudd

Feb 26, 2024 @ 5:07pm

Originally posted by captainamaziiing:
It sucks when a great art department is hobbled by less than great other departments. I too am dismayed at the latest patch, and have lost interest in playing any more. I love so much about this game, but then they stick a pencil in your eye for no reason whatsoever.

I was somewhat considering coming back to the game. After seeing this pathetic update I think I am steering clear for good. There was something about removing the option for a save point in the shroud. Very vague. Does that mean that if you exit the game while in the shroud you no longer return to your last flame altar? The only way I was going to come back to this game was with Wemod and turning off the shroud timer and using infinite health on the ridiculous enemies like the beast of the castle. That's when I quit. Said it before, will say it again, combat is not balanced at all. And there are way too many woke babies making rude, insulting comments on this forum. Never seen such a toxic forum.

And they couldn't even fix the 60fps issue? Practically every other game I have played has no issues with going above 60fps. Oh, and by the way, I got lambasted for posting that the developers never responded to my bug report. Just got the reply today, over 2 weeks later. LMFAO.

Last edited by emitfudd; Feb 27, 2024 @ 5:02pm

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Gus McQuacken has Enshrouded

Feb 26, 2024 @ 6:59pm

Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:
Originally posted by Reggie:

It is pointless upgrading anything level 22+ because nothing changes, you just waste runes, lazy and sloppy implementation, yet with a Staff you can melt the entire world with one casting, this crew wouldn't know balance if it slapped them in the face.

This is not true. Stop spreading false information.

I have tested this with one handed weapons but also wands and bows just out of curiosity.

These are the results:
Lvl 25 upgraded vs non upgraded weapon test

Same swords lvl 25 one upgraded one is not.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168743971
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168744415

Upgraded sword damage
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168745337
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168745755
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168745994

Non upgraded sword damage
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168746241
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168746626
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168746908

Same bows one upgraded one is not.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168747427
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168747641

Upgraded bow damage (headshots & iron arrows)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168748131
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168748443
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168748676
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168748993

Non upgraded bow damage (headshots & iron arrows)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168749335
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168749556
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168749777

Same wands lvl 25 one upgrade one is not
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168750564
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168750760

Upgraded wand damage
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168751150
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168751460
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168751656
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168751820
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168752127
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168752346

Non upgraded wand damage
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168752626
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168753060
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168753372
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168753590
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168753761

Upgrading your weapons is very well worth it and I would recommend doing so.

I think their are to many people drinking the Twitch / YouTube cool-aid and not truly playing the game. Thanks for putting this out.

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Humpenstilzchen has Enshrouded

Feb 26, 2024 @ 7:05pm

Originally posted by Gus McQuacken:
Originally posted by Humpenstilzchen:
snip

I think their are to many people drinking the Twitch / YouTube cool-aid and not truly playing the game. Thanks for putting this out.

You´re welcome

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Xblade_Uk

Feb 26, 2024 @ 8:35pm

Originally posted by oulala:
its indeed "underwhelming" for a big update, but at the same time, the game is supposed to be in EA for a year. and expecting they would pump out enough regular content to keep you continuously playing for that whole year is delusional.

as is thinking that ballancing is just about tweaking numbers. it takes testing, itterating, failing, trying again....

if theres one thing I know, devs are never "lazy", it's not like they go to the office and do nothing for a day.

I agree 100% they are far from lazy in fact they are the opposite in my experience.
I am still baffled by the attitude of many many players across all platforms.
When it comes to making a game i am sure they think it is as easy as playing the damn game! No thought is actually given to how much work goes into a game to get things to work together and balanced correctly.
One new addition in the code or even a update fix can make other things that were fine go haywire so the added pressure of entitled whining demanding content and "fix it now!" behaviour just makes it worse especially during early access which is really just prolonged alpha/beta and 8 years for example is nothing out of the ordinary to make a game which speaks for itself in terms of the hours it takes to make.

I think that 80% of early access players have no clue what it means this kind of testing trial and error is the exact reason to be in EA in the first place and are supposed to be given constructive feedback so those 80% should never play EA because they are bad enough when a game comes out that has never been in EA let alone the added unneeded hassle of wading through the moaning to get to the actual helpful responses.

Now is the worse time to be a developer imo purely due to the attitude of some of the community which the rise of godawful social media (i saw it from the start) and it's toxic attitude is mostly at fault seeping into our gaming communities and taking over as opposed to pre social media when our gaming community was underground and respectful and what was never to be discussed online or in game never was and if an individual did it was shut down straight away and instantly irc chat kicked muted or perma banned from the chat simple (like mine together mod does now) it was called "being frowned upon" the unwritten rules of how we behaved (and still do some of us) the majority of players knew how to behave as opposed to the minority which has now switched places.

I hate the way people think they can speak and demand things from developers and expect the games tailored to them alone and some small devs find themselves pressured into ending up changing the game that much from the vision of THEIR game that it just becomes a mess and then ends up abandoned which they then receive even more abuse for it needs to stop but it won't because as i said it is now the majority acting this way and you will see by the blatant disrespect and childish respondent mockery i receive which i ignore like you would a naughty child acting up.

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Asmosis

Feb 26, 2024 @ 9:02pm

Originally posted by Xblade_Uk:
I think that 80% of early access players have no clue what it means this kind of testing trial and error is the exact reason to be in EA in the first place and are supposed to be given constructive feedback so those 80% should never play EA because they are bad enough when a game comes out that has never been in EA let alone the added unneeded hassle of wading through the moaning to get to the actual helpful responses.
.

To be fair that's because 80% of companies misuse EA to do a full release and dodge criticism about bugs/missing features etc "its EA! you can't be mad yet".

It's always worrisome when you see a game that hasn't even released yet selling for 50-75% off.

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