Shroud and Death Penalties are just too much for me.

[Azurewrath]

I started out enjoying this game but as I played it more it is really starting to bother me.

Today I was playing and it just got to be too much. It went past challenging, rewarding play into asinine, absurd, and ridiculously unnecessary.

There are some places in the shroud that are just impossible to get out of in the tiny time alotted. I've only been playing a few days so I don't have potions (I had one, but used it) or other means to mitigate the shroud.

There is an area near the Eternal Spell Vault (far east of the map) that is just too poorly constructed. It has huge cliffs, lava, and shroud for miles with no relief in sight. I died initially because I couldn't find my way out in time- then I died to the lava (barely touched it- instant death) Thus began an episode of ABSURDITY where I tried to get my stuff back and died OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. Same thing- cant get out of the shroud in time, cant find my tombstone because its on a cliff or in the lava or something else ridiculous.

It is just too much. You MUST lessen the effects of the shroud so it isn't instant death after the very short 5 minute mark. Have it give you penalties to combat or something but having it kill you the second it hits 5:01 it STUPID. Additionally, the amount of shroud you have in some places is too much. This area is IMPOSSIBLE to get through in the time allotted due to massive scale cliff walls, rivers of unpassable lava and enemies.

Mitigate shroud penalties, shrink the shroud and allow us to have 3 seconds or so to touch lava without dying. (I have some nice boots on, come on!)

It got to the point today where I was so frustrated I was literally screaming at the computer. That isn't fun. I had to give up and lost all that I had in my inventory. That isn't fun. As of now, I really have no further desire to play this game. Is that what you want?

Until you do something about this, it just isn't FUN.

[Agent707]

If elixir wells are giving you trouble, save those for last. Do all the above ground roots first - to get the skill points to be stronger to go down into the wells.

[Agent707]

Originally posted by A Worthless Husk of Nothing:

Originally posted by Agent707:

Also want to point out, generally the only time you do go into the shroud, is to chop down a root

I mean. Sometimes I just need Shroudwood.

Yea, but that's like... right at the edge, soon as you go in. That can't be a problem, just like getting liquid. Right?

[Nerevar]

how can a player struggle this much with a pretty straightforward easy game mechanic? what are you doing? i really wanna see this guy PLAY life. i really wanna see that. like. how? HOW?

[maestro]

It is kinda funny how there's a pit of lava under the fog right by the starting area. I've died in that several times.

[captainamaziiing]

Originally posted by Texasaurus Rex:

The whole shroud thing is garbage. It's not fun, cool, new, or innovative. It's boring, slow, and unneeded. The building feature is awesome. I hope there's a mod to remove the goofy shroud soon.

I dislike the shroud timer. Thankfully there is already a mod that can shut it off. Wemod. Changed my entire attitude about the Shroud. Takes all the pressure right off. Now it's just another biome. For my preferred playstyle it's a must.

[Vela Darney]

Oh, sweet ... are there ANY games out there that don't have ANY mods that just turn off anything that's even remotely challenging in said game so people can just coast through on boring mode? What's the purpose of having the shroud when there's no timer?

[Sarcasteik]

Originally posted by captainamaziiing:

Originally posted by Texasaurus Rex:

The whole shroud thing is garbage. It's not fun, cool, new, or innovative. It's boring, slow, and unneeded. The building feature is awesome. I hope there's a mod to remove the goofy shroud soon.

I dislike the shroud timer. Thankfully there is already a mod that can shut it off. Wemod. Changed my entire attitude about the Shroud. Takes all the pressure right off. Now it's just another biome. For my preferred playstyle it's a must.

Let's hope they block wemod here as well then.

[Osamaru]

Originally posted by Azurewrath:

I started out enjoying this game but as I played it more it is really starting to bother me.

Today I was playing and it just got to be too much. It went past challenging, rewarding play into asinine, absurd, and ridiculously unnecessary.

There are some places in the shroud that are just impossible to get out of in the tiny time alotted. I've only been playing a few days so I don't have potions (I had one, but used it) or other means to mitigate the shroud.

That's ... Literally the point of progress.
Are you going to complain you can't beat the final boss within the first few hours, next?

[[STD]Random Lead]

Originally posted by Doom_Walker:

Today's gamers are so soft lol

Have some points.

100 agree. They are why a game like this exists. Dont get me wrong it is fun but this is a baby mode game compared to some of the stuff i grew up with in the early to late 90s. The reason it is fun is the tension but even that has no true penalty. Ooh i lose some mats. Boo Hoo.

[Dagmar]

Okay man, usually when you're getting killed repeatedly it's because you're ignoring something important, like pants (or, you know, that you should make better armor, spend skill points, or upgrade your weapon) or something equally obvious if you just stop and think for a few minutes.

In the case of the Eternal Spell Vault, if I'm remembering correctly, you do not need to run out of there. Just take the stairs all the way to the top of the tower because it's above the shroud, and then teleport yourself home.

[DigginTiger]

Originally posted by evildagmar:

Okay man, usually when you're getting killed repeatedly it's because you're ignoring something important, like pants (or, you know, that you should make better armor, spend skill points, or upgrade your weapon) or something equally obvious if you just stop and think for a few minutes.

In the case of the Eternal Spell Vault, if I'm remembering correctly, you do not need to run out of there. Just take the stairs all the way to the top of the tower because it's above the shroud, and then teleport yourself home.

No you do not need indeed.
I think it all comes down to each player approach. For example maybe YOU will enter the area from the east, maybe i will enter from the north. And it can drastically change your adventure.
In the case of the eternal spell, all i remember when i was tracking this quest, is that the angle i chose to find my way in was definitely the wrong one as i was litterally surounded by lava everywhere with no way in whatsoever. i decided to reevaluate my option and tried to find an other angle for a better way in, and suddenly all went smoothy.
It's just that some players will only try things the way they initially planned it and don't adapt.
Personnaly i like the stress of the shroud and the lava, though i dislike the fact that in some places you just cannot see more than 3 feets away. It might be because of my hardware or settings but it is for sure frustrating and not a good feeling.

Luckily or not the game is very very very forgiving about dying.

[Bonethugg]

Originally posted by Doom_Walker:

Today's gamers are so soft lol

Id love too see some modern gamers attempting a 6 hour CR in the plane of hate in EQ.

[Dreadstone]

Originally posted by Bonethugg:

Originally posted by Doom_Walker:

Today's gamers are so soft lol

Id love too see some modern gamers attempting a 6 hour CR in the plane of hate in EQ.

Been there. Done that. PoF (Plane of Fear) too.

Here's how punishing EQ was - if you didn't retrieve your corpse within a certain time period?

* POOF * Corpse was gone. Everything on it TOO.

*****************

I know what the OP did. He watched one of the many videos about "farming" and thought, 'Hey, I want ph4t l3wtz too", completely discounting the hours it takes to build your shrine, or get a better glider, or whatever.

Hauled a55 out East, couldn't understand why the shroud was blue on the YT / Twitch vid, and his was red.

Died horribly.

Came to boards to complain.

[Nomadiator]

Originally posted by Azurewrath:

I started out enjoying this game but as I played it more it is really starting to bother me.

Today I was playing and it just got to be too much. It went past challenging, rewarding play into asinine, absurd, and ridiculously unnecessary.

There are some places in the shroud that are just impossible to get out of in the tiny time alotted. I've only been playing a few days so I don't have potions (I had one, but used it) or other means to mitigate the shroud.

There is an area near the Eternal Spell Vault (far east of the map) that is just too poorly constructed. It has huge cliffs, lava, and shroud for miles with no relief in sight. I died initially because I couldn't find my way out in time- then I died to the lava (barely touched it- instant death) Thus began an episode of ABSURDITY where I tried to get my stuff back and died OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. Same thing- cant get out of the shroud in time, cant find my tombstone because its on a cliff or in the lava or something else ridiculous.

It is just too much. You MUST lessen the effects of the shroud so it isn't instant death after the very short 5 minute mark. Have it give you penalties to combat or something but having it kill you the second it hits 5:01 it STUPID. Additionally, the amount of shroud you have in some places is too much. This area is IMPOSSIBLE to get through in the time allotted due to massive scale cliff walls, rivers of unpassable lava and enemies.

Mitigate shroud penalties, shrink the shroud and allow us to have 3 seconds or so to touch lava without dying. (I have some nice boots on, come on!)

It got to the point today where I was so frustrated I was literally screaming at the computer. That isn't fun. I had to give up and lost all that I had in my inventory. That isn't fun. As of now, I really have no further desire to play this game. Is that what you want?

Until you do something about this, it just isn't FUN.

your moving into the more difficult parts of the game WAY to early. follow your given quests. there are talents to extend your time in the shroud. upgrade your flame. don't push forward to fast.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by PakaNoHida:

Originally posted by Bonethugg:

Id love too see some modern gamers attempting a 6 hour CR in the plane of hate in EQ.

My god me too, or an old fashioned 5am relic raid in DAoC

LOOOOOOOOOL. been there. good old daoc. they would literally spam the forums with complain threads about the relic not been takeable at night because "its unfair".

back then people still loathed people doing this but it was still viewed as "waiting for the right moment" tactics aswell. and it was way more fair than people crashing the server with mushroom spam during relic raids^^ cause you could atleast stop the former.