Magical combat: Why bother using staves when wands exist?

[old mate]

As it stands it seems using a wand is simply much, much better than casting spells with staves.
Wand Pros: no mana or stamina cost, relatively quick, can use a shield at the same time, not stuck in place while casting, does comparable damage as well as multihit chance with skill points, basically infinite (limited only by wand durability), can shoot multiple times before a single stave spell is cast
Cons: minimal range, slow moving projectile, can miss frequently if not aimed well, lower damage per projectile

Staff Pros: Looks cool, Damage is higher in some cases, more range, AOE damage
Cons: Insane mana cost, low mobility, no defensive capability, uses "ammo", spells can be hard to hit with
In practical terms a wand is better as it allows you to keep moving without having to take mana breaks or crafting infinity mana potions (with inventory space already quite limited)

[AshaMarie]

Originally posted by thestile:

My wand does so much more damage than my eternal ice bolt, it's kind of funny. The wand is doing 60-80 damage with a chance for the extra bolt. And then my ice spell does like 70 damage also. I'm sure there are better spells but as of right now the magic damage from my character is like a joke compared to the wand.

Not a complaint, just an observation.

Are you using the crafted eternal ice bolt or the quest one? The crafted version has significantly more power.

[Unknownwishes]

Originally posted by Not Rawr:

Magic needs balance changes. Staff feels bad most of the time especially early. Then you get eternal acid bite... I hope it gets nerfed, its absurd.

Oh the damage for acid bite in general will be corrected. The devs confirmed the current acid bite damage is a bug so for now it's an absurd damage dealer until then.

Reference: https://www.reddit.com/r/Enshrouded/comments/1af2whk/acid_spit_is_a_bit_op/

[Storm Reaver]

Wands are your simple base magical combat. The Staves are your magical finishers that are more powerful overall with mana/cooldown elements associated with them.

[Anim]

Staves have long range, so good openers, you can also get unlimited spells for them which hit very hard. I can crit with a fire stave for 1000 damage on a level 25 mob.
My wand crits for 300 to 500.

Normal wand hits are 150ish but they are fast and do most of the work.

Some mini-bosses you do not want to get close to, like the one that throws acid bombs. Stave is superior in boss fights.

Staves are very good against flying mobs that are out of range of wands or they fire too much at you to get close. 2 stave spells usually brings them down. With a wand you have to get under it which is much more risky.

[BingusDingus]

Originally posted by Edward Blom:

Staff Acid spell melts bosses

Acid spell is 100% bugged atm, it shouldn't be dealing multiple instances of damage at once, no way that's intentional.

[Unknownwishes]

Originally posted by BingusDingus:

Originally posted by Edward Blom:

Staff Acid spell melts bosses

Acid spell is 100% bugged atm, it shouldn't be dealing multiple instances of damage at once, no way that's intentional.

Yup, definitely bugged - https://www.reddit.com/r/Enshrouded/comments/1af2whk/comment/koal4yv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button and it triggers the AOE Shock on crit node.

KeenToast - "Acid spit (and a related skill tree node) are currently bugged, it's not intended to be nearly this strong :) The team is working on a fix.

In the meantime enjoy melting everything lol"

[Storm Reaver]

You can already spam healing like you have unlimited potions. Making the Paladin or Cleric basically unkillable while you tank everything around you and heal your own wounds.

[BingusDingus]

Yeah, most magic spells aren't very useful, they require way too much mana and deal pretty pitiful damage, unless you're using the bugged acid spell.
The only spells I've managed to find a niche use for is healing spells for when i run out of conventional means of healing myself and chain lightning spells for when i'm being swarmed by trash mobs and just want them dead as quickly as possible. Other than those 2 the rest feel useless, fireball does about the same as two wand attacks and consumes tons of mana and ice bolt is just pointless, just use a bow.

Out of every means of dealing damage in the game, wands are just the best hand down, they may lack range over staffs and bows but they deal way more damage, and melee is just making your experience more tedious.

[Storm Reaver]

Actually, many spells are useful.

You have AOE spells.
You have Ranged Spells.
You have Knockback Spells.
You have Healing spells.

And a secret ring to give insane mana regeneration.

[Paynlis]

use a ring of rapacity or 2 and you can staff all day. staff for the win folks

[Pluto]

why bother playing a game how you like to when there is a current meta? making a game fun rather then blasting through content is a great start. If you enjoy wands use wands, if you love bow's use bow's, you like melee? guess what you can use....

[EverTrek1701]

why use a staff when the bow is far better. all melee weps are better than wands.

staff and wand needs to be reworked. i want to use a bow and hold the staff 2h.

[Pluto]

Originally posted by EverTrek1701:

why use a staff when the bow is far better. all melee weps are better than wands.

staff and wand needs to be reworked. i want to use a bow and hold the staff 2h.

you can, equip the bow (or wand) and you don't even need to have it on your hotbar, hold Q to activate it. Then just have the staff or any other weapon on the hotbar selected (used with lmb)

[404]

because i prepare, have mana pots and staves have a usable range.... as opposed to the wands where you pretty much have to be sniffing an enemies taint to hit them.

[Qiox]

Originally posted by thestile:

My wand does so much more damage than my eternal ice bolt, it's kind of funny. The wand is doing 60-80 damage with a chance for the extra bolt. And then my ice spell does like 70 damage also. I'm sure there are better spells but as of right now the magic damage from my character is like a joke compared to the wand.

Not a complaint, just an observation.

My level 8 mage hits for 700 with a single Fireball.