Trying again. Red Shroud immunity. Cheat code, whatever

[captainamaziiing]

I posted a couple of days ago about ways to bypass the Castle Beast. Helpful people had many suggestions how to kill him. In the end I just built stairs to the Nomad Lands and have been leveling and gearing since. I'm up to L 18. I am maxxed out on gear, etc as all the NPC quests lead into red shroud. I can't go into red shroud without killing castle beast. I cannot kill castle beast without better gear. I've explored everywhere that can be reached without red shroud or cheese stairs.

I know other people have killed the Castle Beast. But I have tried shooting him in the mouth when he's getting ready to barf. I still die every time without a serious dent. I've tried standing under his legs and hacking away. I still die every time without a serious dent. I've tried just running around and not dying at all, using all my attention and dodges just not dying and I still die every time, in short order. His jump attack takes half my hit points and I cannot dodge it. My reflexes simply are not there. I tried digging out the fungus on the west wall so I could retreat up the wall, but his attacks still hit up there and I die in no time. If I duck off the wall he resets.

I have to believe there was a pretty elite group of playtesters for that boss fight to make it into the game in its current form. It's not correct.

The game is now over for me unless I can immunity to red shroud. I don't care how. The reason this is so frustrating is I love so much about this game, but this hard gate on an impossible boss is, to me, a terminal flaw in game balance. I'm sure the next 2/5ths of the game are awesome but if I can't use them, they get a zero on the final grade.

I've done my due diligence. I've tried fighting him dozens of times. At my level and gear it should not be this hard. I need a bypass. I don't care how. I appreciate you are all going to tell me how you fought him successfully, and that's great for you. But if it includes getting in the ring and dodging his attacks and doing enough to kill him before he kills me, I've heard. I've tried it. I am too old and slow by far to pull it off. I get 20% damage on him at best. Not even close enough to want to keep trying.

I need a solution to red shroud toxicity other than fighting the thing. Any solution. I know the devs read these forums sometimes. Send me a cheat code privately or mail me a dragon head or whatever. I do not care how I get immunity to red shroud. I'd be fine just erasing the shroud completely actually. Not a fan. Don't like it one bit. But it's the name of the game so I won't hold my breath.

But I need a solution. Suggestions have been great and appreciated, but sadly, I could not turn them into solutions.

Thanks in advance from a cranky old man.

[Zero]

I didn't even know this boss was a problem for anyone, sorry to hear that. Beat him on my first try with just a wand and a lot of moving around... like most bosses in most games.
Sure, I'm pretty certain I was a little over leveled, but I wasn't even close to hitting the level cap. I did go for the healing/sec ability (WATER AURA, plus its upgrade. Seriously, get it if you haven't yet. Absolute game changer) in the healer tree and used a few health potions here and there (the most basic ones) if absolutely needed. Used constitution, intelligence and endurance foods. The trick is to, you guessed it, dodge.

Not that hard a boss fight to be honest. Sorry to say this, but Dodge, Dodge and Dodge some more. Also running and sprinting around as the boss completely and obviously telegraphs his moves. That fight is not a Sprint though, like for most boss fights it is a little more of a marathon. AND GET THE HEALER ABILITIES TO HEAL EVERY SECOND per intelligence point (WATER AURA. I can't recommend it enough to everyone before it gets nerfed into oblivion, like the forbidden acid spell). You end up healing back to full in a few seconds while just dodging and sprinting around. It might not be necessary, but it will likely help a lot for those that have more difficulties fully dodging all or most attacks. Also, if you can get a staff with mana leech, you can also spray some fireballs at the boss from a distance (plus guzzle mana potions if need be, I didn't bother). Double jump and Blink are also great to unlock. Double jump to get around easily and Blink just because it is a straight up upgrade to the dodge. Radiant Aura is also great to ignore the little bugs and just focus on dodging and kiting the boss. I don't even think i'd unlocked all of what i'm talking about for that fight (I don't think I had blink yet)

"I have to believe there was a pretty elite group of playtesters for that boss fight to make it into the game in its current form. It's not correct." Clearly not true unless my sorry self is somehow an elite. I doubt that very much, though I would love it if it were true. It IS the toughest fight in the game (for that level). At the same time, It's a wyvern that took over the capital of the Kingdom's castle and made it its home.

I've used devcommands in other similar games before and they always inevitably end up making the game boring and rob me of any sense of accomplishement for doing something (though some survival crafting games are incredibly grindy for building materials and I just want to build a lot).

[Noxid]

OP is correct. This is early access, and it blows my mind how defensive people get when obvious game flaws are pointed out.

[TacticalPony]

Are you playing to the strengths of your chosen skills? Are your weapons around your level and enhanced using the runes? Are you kitted out in the armor set that plays best to your play-style?

For the first, if you like going Melee ham but didn't put your skill points into Strength and Constitution along the red skills then you'll have a hard time. Likewise if you like using a bow/magic without choosing the respective stats and skills.

If you're not doing the side quests and getting those weapon chests the game is going to be tough. The weapons do significantly more damage with levels and last longer with rarity (also check if the bows use stamina or not this will affect close/medium combat range viability).

The last one is a bit of a toss up. You don't always have to use a set of gear as specifically for your chosen class. I'm using tank/close combat gear for my archer build. It provides a nice chunk of hp and a constant trickle of hp regen for when I fail to dodge or get surprise attacked while gathering resources. If you feel like you're not getting what you need from a spcific set, mix and match. You can take the extra HP from the tanky chest pieces, stamina regen from archer boots, whatever you need from any of the sets. This game allows quite a bit of freedom in how you play.

I'd recommend doing side quests and hitting up those golden chests for better gear in the highest level areas you can access (The Pike should have some decent weapons if I remember correctly). In case you didn't know, the lore you read around the game provide markers for side quests which usually involves a golden or silver chest with some form of gear.

[RibbedCelery]

Origineel geplaatst door Noxid:

OP is correct. This is early access, and it blows my mind how defensive people get when obvious game flaws are pointed out.

Yet, this boss wasn't hard at all?.. I'm no elite gamer by any means but nerfing a boss because someone or a select few have issues is wild. Just imagine if you have to face a boss in the shroud... What then? Nerf the shroud even though the devs made potions for such a thing?

OP - if you haven't already, repec some points into the healing route and get the passive healing.

[Gerald]

I hear you, as an older solo player that is not a fan of souls-like games let me say my combat skills are questionable at best and I died many times before like you opting to focus on levelling up and skills. While I didn't cheese my way to the nomad I did focus on building my one-handed melee build with the highest gear I could get (Adventurers chest, some knight pieces, radiant sword, transcendence shield).

Levelled up to 17 and farmed the crap out of the one level 20 chest I had access to. Also went all over the map to complete all the elixir wells for the extra skill points they give you.

For the fight I crafted a 20+ greater health potions and then took chamomile tea, hazelnuts, meat and a few other things. Sticking to the underside of the beast and just whacking away at him while sucking down greater heal potions when needed got me through it, in the end it went pretty well and wasn't that difficult this time around. Did not bother trying to go for the mouth, my reflexes suck.

I do think on Solo there should be a difficulty selector.

[BigWezz]

Origineel geplaatst door Noxid:

OP is correct. This is early access, and it blows my mind how defensive people get when obvious game flaws are pointed out.

Not really, it just a skill issue.

You can level your character and crush that boss easily.

[engraveriii]

At the end opposite the spawn point of the Wyvern boss, there is a metal double gate. Before starting the encounter, tear the gate down with a pick axe, and level the area within. Leave a small section jutting up right at the door way though. Once you have that area ready, go out and spawn the beast. I have done it with spells, and with melee this way. Bandages, potions, plenty of ammo, and time. Do not stand in one spot trying to hit him. He will back spin, which can still hit through the doorway, and his breath attack still goes through. However, he wont break the walls, or has not done so yet for me.

[Tha_T1p]

Over level it if you're having what seems to be a skill issue, admittedly you can't dodge the damage that keeps killing you. In my experience so far, that amount of damage means your gear is inadequate. Despite what you might think about it, the games clearly telling you, you don't have the resistances here, so any mistake is failure. The solution here, even though you don't want to hear it, is, to go farm legendary chest's for better gear, or level up so your not taking so much damage. Both are a bit tedious in this game towards the latter half of the journey, but that's what RPGs are, adventures, journey's. Sometimes, rpgs require you to think out of the box, break away from your desired build and work the problem.

[DeMasked]

I died to him a number of times before figuring out when to attack and to be patient in waiting between going in for melee strikes. Also I found some decent items in that town including a high level sword that did a lot of damage.

Using good food and potions I'd just whack him when he's summoning his beetles which I'd aoe as well and hit him when he's using the fire breath. Use my shield in case he does the spin attack and run around during the barrage attack.

I don't think he leap attacks you if you're close but if he does usually a dodge can avoid it. My skill tree wasn't even that offensive or defensive but more utility based so not that great for said boss.

[Ivara Ara]

I just spammed him down with a wand, running a battlemage/wizard build+2x jump and it was not even remotely hard.

[Forsakend]

Keep seeing people giving him suggestions but keep missing the fact that he pointed out that he is "Too old and slow by far to pull it off".

It happens, older folk lack the reflexes to keep up as age kicks in. Hell, I can't play twitch FPS games personally anymore despite FPS was my favorite genre.

[captainamaziiing]

Since this thread hasn't died, I will add this: The wemod app also makes it possible to turn off the Shroud timer. It has completely changed my attitude about the Shroud, which I used to loathe. The Shroud is an interesting idea, but does not fit my preferred playstyle, which is a little slower and more methodical than simply rushing in and bashing everything that moves.Turning off the timer made all the difference. Now the Shroud is just another biome, instead of being a stress inducing Achilles heel in an otherwise great game.

The most important thing the devs can add to this game is mod support. Full stop.

[Hans CakeStealer]

Have you considered the old try and true method of GET GUD?

[captainamaziiing]

Origineel geplaatst door Hans CakeStealer:

Have you considered the old try and true method of GET GUD?

Gosh, you are clever. I wish I was as cool as you.

[3tall]

Origineel geplaatst door captainamaziiing:

Since this thread hasn't died, I will add this: The wemod app also makes it possible to turn off the Shroud timer. It has completely changed my attitude about the Shroud, which I used to loathe. The Shroud is an interesting idea, but does not fit my preferred playstyle, which is a little slower and more methodical than simply rushing in and bashing everything that moves.Turning off the timer made all the difference. Now the Shroud is just another biome, instead of being a stress inducing Achilles heel in an otherwise great game.

The most important thing the devs can add to this game is mod support. Full stop.

I agree. I want to explore the shroud