20 tin for 1 bar

[NF_Crenos]

This cannot be correct, right? Even with a bronze pickaxe that's gonna take forever. Might as well go into a fast-travel tower and just break every pot you come across, exit game, repeat.

[Zero]

Originally posted by eram:

Originally posted by Judaspriester:

Still you need 14 copper but 60 tin for 10 bronze bars, which feels far out of balance. 750 tin from one spot may sound somewhat fine, but it still requires quite alot of time to farm them and the outcome is far of the line compared to the other smelter recipies.

with that being said, this is something that popped up a brunch of times, therefore I hope the devs are already aware of this and fix it soon.

i mined more than most players on steam. :D doesnt take that long. few hours of mining for 6 players and its done for the entire run.
but yes the numbers dont make sense to some people.

"Few hours of mining for 6 people", do you mean 6 players mined or YOU mined FOR 6 players, because if it's the former, most people play solo, so that's "a few hours" times 6. Also mining for tin for a few hours isn't exactly a great mechanic...

And then there are people that actually also use bronze for cool builds... It just doesn't make sense, period. not "it doesn't make sense to some people" haha ;)

[Wandering Mania]

Originally posted by Zero:

I like the bronze tiles, so it makes tin REALLY expensive for me haha

That's exactly why I just use plain old 'Rough cut stone'. You get so much stone and it's in abundance everywhere, that it's easy to build with; And you don't gotta worry about it burning down.

[rightasrain]

If it is a typo, I wouldn't be surprised. I've found a number of typos in the quests and survivor menus, and wondering where I can post them so the devs can see.

[holdem]

Originally posted by triple88a:

Seems like an error in programming. All the other recipes give 10.

Pretty sure all other recipes have the error and should just give 1 instead of 10.

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by NF_Crenos:

This cannot be correct, right? Even with a bronze pickaxe that's gonna take forever. Might as well go into a fast-travel tower and just break every pot you come across, exit game, repeat.

Enjoy the fix from the latest patch:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3155288028

[Andy]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

just skip crafting gear. youre wasteing your time. dropped gear is superior and looks cooler. only thing worth crafting are tools.

it's not just about gears, some eternal spell like eternal chain heal requires 10 tin bars....

[Animecore]

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Originally posted by NF_Crenos:

This cannot be correct, right? Even with a bronze pickaxe that's gonna take forever. Might as well go into a fast-travel tower and just break every pot you come across, exit game, repeat.

Enjoy the fix from the latest patch:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3155288028

So it's 15 instead of 20. Still doesn't fix the problem in my humble opinion. Not complaining, but this is still going to be a time sink. Even with the right mining pickax, you could swing your pickax 3 to 4 times not get one Tin Ore. But for the benefit of the doubt, let's say you get one Tin Ore per 4 pickax strikes.

Good case scenario: Doing some math here.
One Tin ore typically for me I noticed requires 3 to 4(or higher 6 to 7) swings, let's use a good case.

4 pickax swings = 1 Tin Ore.

4 pickax swings x 15 to get 15 Tin Ores = 60 pickax swings for one component of a Tin Ore Bar which is Tin Ore.

Say you need 10 Tin Ore Bars. you multiple that by 10 divided 3. You're going to have to swing a pickax 200 times into Tin ore to get that many bars. Keep in mind, the factors are an estimate based on ideal conditions as well. You don't hit some other material while striking with your pickax toward Tin ore i.e sand, stone, whatever the Tin is located in.

Worse case scenario:
One Tin ore typically for me I noticed requires 6 to 7 pickax swings, let's use a good case.

7 pickax swings = 1 Tin Ore.

7 pickax swings x 15 to get 15 Tin Ores = 105 pickax swings for one component of a Tin Ore Bar which is Tin Ore.

Say you need 10 Tin Ore Bars. you multiple that by 10 divided by 3. You're going to have to swing a pickax 350 times into Tin ore to get that many bars. Keep in mind, the factors are an estimate based on ideal conditions as well. You don't hit some other material while striking with your pickax toward Tin ore i.e sand, stone, whatever the Tin is located in.

I would of not complained about how many Tin Ore you need for Tin Bars to the development team, but I would of complained about how every time you strike a Tin Ore deposit with your pickax you get nothing.

Edit: I just noticed that you make 3 Tin ore bars per 15 ores. That helps a lot. Still going to be striking Tin ore a lot to get Tin ore, because the problem of striking Tin ore and gaining nothing per strike still exist correct? I have not tried mining ores at all. Maybe that was fixed as well.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Animecore:

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Enjoy the fix from the latest patch:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3155288028

So it's 15 instead of 20. Still doesn't fix the problem in my humble opinion. Not complaining, but this is still going to be a time sink. Even with the right mining pickax, you could swing your pickax 3 to 4 times not get one Tin Ore. But for the benefit of the doubt, let's say you get one Tin Ore per 4 pickax strikes.

Good case scenario: Doing some math here.
One Tin ore typically for me I noticed requires 3 to 4(or higher 6 to 7) swings, let's use a good case.

4 pickax swings = 1 Tin Ore.

4 pickax swings x 15 to get 15 Tin Ores = 60 pickax swings for one component of a Tin Ore Bar which is Tin Ore.

Say you need 10 Tin Ore Bars. you multiple that by 10. You're going to have to swing a pickax 600 times into Tin ore to get that many bars. Keep in mind, the factors are an estimate based on ideal conditions as well. You don't hit some other material while striking with your pickax toward Tin ore i.e sand, stone, whatever the Tin is located in.

Worse case scenario:
One Tin ore typically for me I noticed requires 6 to 7 pickax swings, let's use a good case.

7 pickax swings = 1 Tin Ore.

7 pickax swings x 15 to get 15 Tin Ores = 105 pickax swings for one component of a Tin Ore Bar which is Tin Ore.

Say you need 10 Tin Ore Bars. you multiple that by 10. You're going to have to swing a pickax 1050 times into Tin ore to get that many bars. Keep in mind, the factors are an estimate based on ideal conditions as well. You don't hit some other material while striking with your pickax toward Tin ore i.e sand, stone, whatever the Tin is located in.

I would of not complained about how many Tin Ore you need for Tin Bars to the development team, but I would of complained about how every time you strike a Tin Ore deposit with your pickax you get nothing.

5 tin per bar now. Learn to read and comprehend.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Animecore:

Originally posted by Martin:

5 tin per bar now. Learn to read and comprehend.

It's 3 actually not 5. Learn to not be so insulting on a constructive post and I did edit it to 3 per 15 ores. But, you're telling me 5, when the image says 3. I did not look at the image and went off memory of what I believe I thought it was in the past.

It's 5 tin per bar. You get 3 bars per 15. 15 divided by 3 = 5. Learn Mathematics and Arithmetic. You're only insulting yourself. Being insulted is a choice.

The level of dumb in this thread.. guys.. READ and COMPREHEND.

How much tin you get per swing, depending on skill, tool type and how you strike the tin is a fair complaint, but it isn't really a complaint, it's a skill issue.

With the right skills, you can mine in excess of a 1000 tin in most locations. Which is alot of tin ingots... :D

1000/5= erm.. 200.. :D Took me 5 minutes in me head.

If you use 2-3 smelters and plant forests, to make charcoal. It's fairly doable to produce enough copper, tin and bronze to make all the items you can make from copper, tin and bronze. It is alot of preparation.. but it is doable, obviously if you have 2-3 people working together is better than 1 trying to supply an entire server.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Animecore:

Originally posted by Martin:

It's 5 tin per bar. You get 3 bars per 15. 15 divided by 3 = 5. Learn Mathematics and Arithmetic. You're only insulting yourself. Being insulted is a choice.

The level of dumb in this thread.. guys.. READ and COMPREHEND.

How much tin you get per swing, depending on skill, tool type and how you strike the tin is a fair complaint, but it isn't really a complaint, it's a skill issue.

With the right skills, you can mine in excess of a 1000 tin in most locations. Which is alot of tin... :D

I never claimed I was on your level of genius. I never claimed I was smart either, but if you wanna call me dumb, go ahead. Does it make you feel better?

3 bars is still 3 bars. you don't divide 15 ores to get 5 bars. 15 ores will only get you 3 bars.
I'm done with you, try harder at trolling.

TYpo :D It happens.

15 divided by 3 = 5. Should read 15 divided by 5 = 3.

And if you don't read and comprehend you are being dumb, i'm not calling you dumb as an insult, you are doing that yourself.

You originally claimed it was 15 ore per 1 bar of tin.

Oh and 15 / 3 is 5.. but it wasn't what I intended to write. As the correct solution is 15 /5 = 3 15 ore divided by 5 tin ore per ingot = 3 ingots per smelt. (plus charcoal and wood acid) [ No idea how you divide 2 acid 5 coal into 15 ore.. 7 and a bit acid 3 coal.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Animecore:

Originally posted by Martin:

5 tin per bar now. Learn to read and comprehend.

It's 3 actually not 5. Learn to not be so insulting on a constructive post and I did edit it to 3 per 15 ores. But, you're telling me 5, when the image says 3. I did not look at the image and went off memory of what I believe I thought it was in the past.

15 Tin Ore.
5 charcoal.
3 Wood Acid.

It's not

5

its

15

LEARN TO READ AND COMPREHEND yourself!

It says 2 Wood Acid.. not 3.

[Animecore]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3155322894
Hope this helps you Martin

[Martin]

Originally posted by Animecore:

Originally posted by Martin:

TYpo :D It happens.

15 divided by 3 = 5. Should read 15 divided by 5 = 3.

And if you don't read and comprehend you are being dumb, i'm not calling you dumb as an insult, you are doing that yourself.

You originally claimed it was 15 ore per 1 bar of tin.

Oh and 15 / 3 is 5.. but it wasn't what I intended to write. As the correct solution is 15 /5 = 3 15 ore divided by 5 tin ore per ingot = 3 ingots per smelt. (plus charcoal and wood acid) [ No idea how you divide 2 acid 5 coal into 15 ore.. 7 and a bit acid 3 coal. [/quote]

Here:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3155322894
Hope this helps you.

Now you're agreeing with me.
Well Done.

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by Animecore:

Edit: I just noticed that you make 3 Tin ore bars per 15 ores. That helps a lot. Still going to be striking Tin ore a lot to get Tin ore, because the problem of striking Tin ore and gaining nothing per strike still exist correct? I have not tried mining ores at all. Maybe that was fixed as well.

I've observed this type of "hit node but not always get ore" behavior for all the metal nodes. Are you saying it's disproportionately worse for tin?

[Martin]

Originally posted by Tenoshii:

Originally posted by Animecore:

Edit: I just noticed that you make 3 Tin ore bars per 15 ores. That helps a lot. Still going to be striking Tin ore a lot to get Tin ore, because the problem of striking Tin ore and gaining nothing per strike still exist correct? I have not tried mining ores at all. Maybe that was fixed as well.

I've observed this type of "hit node but not always get ore" behavior for all the metal nodes. Are you saying it's disproportionately worse for tin?

I just tested this. With Mason skill and Quality Gear. And Iron Pickaxe.

I get 1 tin per hit on consecutive hits. I don't have the Miner skill.

Therefore my conclusion is the mining of tin or any other material hasn't changed.