HVCI_KMCI Issue

[Naz]

This might been reported before but first thing the game does is ask me to disable this. This is not acceptable and the game should be unlisted until they fix this.

[JamieLinux]

Originally posted by Naz:

This might been reported before but first thing the game does is ask me to disable this. This is not acceptable and the game should be unlisted until they fix this.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/options-to-optimize-gaming-performance-in-windows-11-a255f612-2949-4373-a566-ff6f3f474613

its a windows 11 feature that was added. its optional disable it while playing re enable it when done, most any game with anti cheat and some virus scanners do not work with it enabled. The game has been up for over 2 years and no issues.

[Naz]

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

Originally posted by Naz:

This might been reported before but first thing the game does is ask me to disable this. This is not acceptable and the game should be unlisted until they fix this.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/options-to-optimize-gaming-performance-in-windows-11-a255f612-2949-4373-a566-ff6f3f474613

its a windows 11 feature that was added. its optional disable it while playing re enable it when done, most any game with anti cheat and some virus scanners do not work with it enabled. The game has been up for over 2 years and no issues.

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Why ask me to disable a NEW security feature instead of patching it??

[Candesco]

Originally posted by Naz:

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/options-to-optimize-gaming-performance-in-windows-11-a255f612-2949-4373-a566-ff6f3f474613

its a windows 11 feature that was added. its optional disable it while playing re enable it when done, most any game with anti cheat and some virus scanners do not work with it enabled. The game has been up for over 2 years and no issues.

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Why ask me to disable a NEW security feature instead of patching it??

Because they want your data. Selling data is nowadays a new businessmodel.

[mgkilla]

I literally only play online games and this is the first and only one ever that asked me to disable this :/ This shouldn't be a thing.

[Ylkrad]

Originally posted by Naz:

This might been reported before but first thing the game does is ask me to disable this. This is not acceptable and the game should be unlisted until they fix this.

Kekw.

[JamieLinux]

Originally posted by mgkilla:

I literally only play online games and this is the first and only one ever that asked me to disable this :/ This shouldn't be a thing.

go install valorant or mcafee or use some old hardware that you need and doesn't work with KMCI enabled.

It's not just this game it's just the first time you had an app wanting to turn off a Microsoft feature for business.

[BuddaKD]

Originally posted by Naz:

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/options-to-optimize-gaming-performance-in-windows-11-a255f612-2949-4373-a566-ff6f3f474613

its a windows 11 feature that was added. its optional disable it while playing re enable it when done, most any game with anti cheat and some virus scanners do not work with it enabled. The game has been up for over 2 years and no issues.

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Why ask me to disable a NEW security feature instead of patching it??

That's a good question. Unfortunately, this issue has been around for a while now, and it probably won't get patched anytime soon.

[JamieLinux]

Originally posted by Zoakai:

Originally posted by Naz:

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Why ask me to disable a NEW security feature instead of patching it??

That's a good question. Unfortunately, this issue has been around for a while now, and it probably won't get patched anytime soon.

Because Microsoft doesnt allow third party anti cheat driver to be signed in such a way that it can run with HVCI-KMCI enabled and read the physical memory addresses and not the virtual memory that is shown to the os.

[Naz]

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

Originally posted by Zoakai:

That's a good question. Unfortunately, this issue has been around for a while now, and it probably won't get patched anytime soon.

Because Microsoft doesnt allow third party anti cheat driver to be signed in such a way that it can run with HVCI-KMCI enabled and read the physical memory addresses and not the virtual memory that is shown to the os.

The correct thing should be to get it signed as fast as possible, shouldn't it be??? If their anti-cheat is any good that should not be a problem. An anti-cheat that bypasses security features is _sus_ AF.

[Van]

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

Originally posted by mgkilla:

I literally only play online games and this is the first and only one ever that asked me to disable this :/ This shouldn't be a thing.

go install valorant or mcafee or use some old hardware that you need and doesn't work with KMCI enabled.

It's not just this game it's just the first time you had an app wanting to turn off a Microsoft feature for business.

Hey look, both chinese companies are the only in the market to ask for kernel access! what a coincidence!

[JamieLinux]

Originally posted by Naz:

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

Its far from the only software that needs it disabled, some anti virus software like McAfee doesn't work with it enabled. Virtual-box cannot use processor virtualization features nor does vmware without hack patches. So you are stuck using Microsoft own virtualization software .

Valorant wont run with it enabled as well as any other riot games software that runs on the same anti cheat.

from riots own support page.
Addressing Virtualization-based security (VBS) settings on Windows 10 | VAN9005 | VALORANT with directions on how to disable it.

I would advise you educate yourself before you say its the ONLY software that requires it it to be disabled when it's not.

I can tell you League of Legends does not require you to disable this. It does not have/run the same anti-cheat and again, the only acceptable thing would be to unlist this game from Steam until they get this """anti-cheat""" signed.

Since you seem to not really understand this, Microsoft will not sign any third party anti cheat to run with permissions to read the actual physical memory layout of a pc running HVCI-KMCI enabled, no driver will ever get that access as it is reserved for Microsoft Only.

League of Legends does NOT use vanguard actually LOL doesn't use any form of anti cheat the game itself is encrypted end to end , over the years they have made it really really hard for cheaters botters and so forth in LOL. This is from a bit ago but still holds true as LOL still does NOT use vanguard.

https://technology.riotgames.com/news/riots-approach-anti-cheat

Once again educate yourself.

Steam does NOT need to delist anything.

With Vanguard if your PC has TMP 2.0 it will run with VBS due to the fact the anti cheat will work with your TMP 2.0 chip and secure boot so it doesn't actually need it to be disabled that is how they get around it which is still pretty invasive.

[Naz]

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

Originally posted by Naz:

I can tell you League of Legends does not require you to disable this. It does not have/run the same anti-cheat and again, the only acceptable thing would be to unlist this game from Steam until they get this """anti-cheat""" signed.

Since you seem to not really understand this, Microsoft will not sign any third party anti cheat to run with permissions to read the actual physical memory layout of a pc running HVCI-KMCI enabled, no driver will ever get that access as it is reserved for Microsoft Only.

League of Legends does NOT use vanguard actually LOL doesn't use any form of anti cheat the game itself is encrypted end to end , over the years they have made it really really hard for cheaters botters and so forth in LOL. This is from a bit ago but still holds true as LOL still does NOT use vanguard.

https://technology.riotgames.com/news/riots-approach-anti-cheat

Once again educate yourself.

Steam does NOT need to delist anything.

With Vanguard if your PC has TMP 2.0 it will run with VBS due to the fact the anti cheat will work with your TMP 2.0 chip and secure boot so it doesn't actually need it to be disabled that is how they get around it which is still pretty invasive.

No idea what Vanguard is. I don't care about League of Legends or Valorant in any case. You're telling multiple people to educate themselves when you're the one in the wrong here. You need to get rid of that KMCI stuff so people are more willing to play your dead game.

[Insert Bronze Name]

Originally posted by Naz:

Originally posted by JamieLinux:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/options-to-optimize-gaming-performance-in-windows-11-a255f612-2949-4373-a566-ff6f3f474613

its a windows 11 feature that was added. its optional disable it while playing re enable it when done, most any game with anti cheat and some virus scanners do not work with it enabled. The game has been up for over 2 years and no issues.

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Why ask me to disable a NEW security feature instead of patching it??

Its a proprietary anti cheat from a not that popular game, it needs to be approved by Microsoft if it wants kernel level access. Most other anti cheats do the exact same thing but they are well known/popular and have done the necessary actions to get approved. The reason this needs kernel access is the same reason why other anti cheats need it, most exploits are done through the kernel/memory and it needs access to make sure the game is not being tampered. If you have trust issues with this game just move on, until it ever gets fixed/approved. Valorant had the same problem for a very short while and most propitiatory anti cheats do.

Edit: Also i'm pretty sure Microsoft recommends turning it of for gamers. its mostly for people with actual stuff to loose, not us normies. And DELL says its mostly used against zero day hacks that can't/hasn't be patched normally.

[marc8484]

having the same error as I'm trying to load the game, no way in hell will I disable my protection to let a game play LOL! what a joke. Un-Install as I type this.

[Jaspik]

Agree