Hard Bot mode develops paranoia)

[A-tanatos-Ω]

After last update (with revival points) this mode is not fun anymore.

- bots are stronger and you can not do charge attacks, because they always auto parry you. So i need to use only usual attacks and launcher combo. Damage exchange not in my favor.

- they all spawn near you, no matter where you go, they will apear from nowhere. You are busy beating one bot? - just wait, there come another two. Basically i can stand in one place and they all will come to me. What kind of survival this is? I barely can do any quests or explore map - they will annoy me everywhere.

- that revival point is one big joke, right? After dying they give you basic weapon and armor, when you arrive at revival point. So if i was not able to beat bot with my best equipment, how i supposed to beat that bot (that will be near my loot and already healed) with that lame starter equipment? Obviously it is better to restart game after dying, instead of using that revival stuff.

- another thing - why in troves so many ranged weapons from start of match? Litterally sometimes i struggle to find any melee weapon. I think, player first must find any melee weapon in trove and only after that - ranged.

[Slime]

charge attack is supposed to counter normal attack. so use it when they hit you with normal attack. they can't parry during normal attack

if you want to use charge attack in all situation, maybe try easy mode

[Yurnero Elite]

Originally posted by Slime:

charge attack is supposed to counter normal attack. so use it when they hit you with normal attack. they can't parry during normal attack

if you want to use charge attack in all situation, maybe try easy mode

lol you seem to be new - you cant even relate what the op id talking about...

[nyanyunie]

Honestly tho, how are you suffering on bot mode man? I do bot mode everytime I have ordeal coins and the bots are hella predictable. It's especially fun to try and trick the parry. Besides, at some point of the game, constant charge attack doesn't work unless it's on new players. Also:

1. There is like 101 combo in the game. Basic attack and launcher combo ain't the only one. Maybe you should trying learning more combo.

2. The weapons you get from revival ain't really a problem because I've won multiple time with those weapons. The only downside with revival items is the low shields but the weapon doesn't really affect much if you are bad at fighting itself. Besides, its easy to find shields in bot mode since all the troves are untouched and the chance of the bots having purple shields is quite mid-low. Most of them have blue shields.

3. Mate, you bought a combat-focused survival game. The heck is the bots supposed to do other than hunt you down? This ain't a chill game for you to explore terrains and do quest. The primary purpose of the match is to hunt others or be hunted. Exploring and quest are all side missions that you can do to help aide you.

[A-tanatos-Ω]

Originally posted by nyanyunie:

Honestly tho, how are you suffering on bot mode man? I do bot mode everytime I have ordeal coins and the bots are hella predictable. It's especially fun to try and trick the parry. Besides, at some point of the game, constant charge attack doesn't work unless it's on new players. Also:

1. There is like 101 combo in the game. Basic attack and launcher combo ain't the only one. Maybe you should trying learning more combo.

2. The weapons you get from revival ain't really a problem because I've won multiple time with those weapons. The only downside with revival items is the low shields but the weapon doesn't really affect much if you are bad at fighting itself. Besides, its easy to find shields in bot mode since all the troves are untouched and the chance of the bots having purple shields is quite mid-low. Most of them have blue shields.

3. Mate, you bought a combat-focused survival game. The heck is the bots supposed to do other than hunt you down? This ain't a chill game for you to explore terrains and do quest. The primary purpose of the match is to hunt others or be hunted. Exploring and quest are all side missions that you can do to help aide you.

See, you do bot mode only when have ordeal coins. I did bot mode everyday, because i wanted to grind Matari's 130 Lv costume. You still miss the point - bot parry your every charge attack. I am aware, that is possible to force them parry, when you cancel your charge attack at the last moment. But i do not do it often, coz it is just boring. They are not humans, after all.
1. Yeah, maybe i need to learn something new. Especially for weapons, that i try to avoid.

2. I wrote about lame weapon and armor at revival point. You just read, what you want to read. I try to avoid attacking bots with standard armor at all cost. If you already cleared all troves in area, after dying all that stuff will be...you know, where) It is boring to grind all stuff, that lost, again, in different place.

3. That is a problem. I can chill and have fun with hardest bots in fighting games, but bots here just playing on my nerves. If i need more serious play, i can go ranked, duels or bloodbath. Though, we still do not have proper duel mode with ranked, bloodbath ranked - instead they waste their time making temporal events, that no one care about.
This game just do not have chill mode, exactly. That is why players go in other games, when they want to chill.

[nyanyunie]

Originally posted by A-tanatos-Ω:

Originally posted by nyanyunie:

Honestly tho, how are you suffering on bot mode man? I do bot mode everytime I have ordeal coins and the bots are hella predictable. It's especially fun to try and trick the parry. Besides, at some point of the game, constant charge attack doesn't work unless it's on new players. Also:

1. There is like 101 combo in the game. Basic attack and launcher combo ain't the only one. Maybe you should trying learning more combo.

2. The weapons you get from revival ain't really a problem because I've won multiple time with those weapons. The only downside with revival items is the low shields but the weapon doesn't really affect much if you are bad at fighting itself. Besides, its easy to find shields in bot mode since all the troves are untouched and the chance of the bots having purple shields is quite mid-low. Most of them have blue shields.

3. Mate, you bought a combat-focused survival game. The heck is the bots supposed to do other than hunt you down? This ain't a chill game for you to explore terrains and do quest. The primary purpose of the match is to hunt others or be hunted. Exploring and quest are all side missions that you can do to help aide you.

See, you do bot mode only when have ordeal coins. I did bot mode everyday, because i wanted to grind Matari's 130 Lv costume. You still miss the point - bot parry your every charge attack. I am aware, that is possible to force them parry, when you cancel your charge attack at the last moment. But i do not do it often, coz it is just boring. They are not humans, after all.
1. Yeah, maybe i need to learn something new. Especially for weapons, that i try to avoid.

2. I wrote about lame weapon and armor at revival point. You just read, what you want to read. I try to avoid attacking bots with standard armor at all cost. If you already cleared all troves in area, after dying all that stuff will be...you know, where) It is boring to grind all stuff, that lost, again, in different place.

3. That is a problem. I can chill and have fun with hardest bots in fighting games, but bots here just playing on my nerves. If i need more serious play, i can go ranked, duels or bloodbath. Though, we still do not have proper duel mode with ranked, bloodbath ranked - instead they waste their time making temporal events, that no one care about.
This game just do not have chill mode, exactly. That is why players go in other games, when they want to chill.

Whether I enter hard bot mode when I have ordeal coins or not makes no difference tbh. I grinded hard bots mode like 10-20 times, somewhere around monday or so, to finish my 30 ordeal coins, complete all the remaining weekly mission and grind the character ascension to get lvl 130 and the extreme cosmetics gacha. It's not that hard nor is it that boring tbh. Hard bots allow me to try out all the new combos and do test out all the souljades I don't usually use. Anyways, the bot doesn't parry all your charged attack. It parries most of it but you can still do a combo/use a skill and follow up with a charged attack. Also:

1. Your lack of weapon and combo knowledge is probably a huge factor in the whole lack of damage point.

2. Well, to be very frank, it's your own fault for reviving yourself at the same area where you looted and know there is nothing there/everything is scattered. The revival time is very long and you could have easily just revive somewhere unlooted but you made your choice cuz you are too lazy to loot again/find the items. If you are too lazy, then revive and win kill the bot then get back you item or just don't die to the bot. Simple.

3. If you can't chill and have fun with the bots in Naraka's hard mode, that's a whole you problem at this point. See, there is an option call "Casual" which is made for people to chill and just spam attacks. Literally the bots won't hunt you down and they just stand still after you hit em once. If you want to chill and not be constantly fighting, choose that. People who choose hard mode are usually people who don't mind getting hunted or they want test their combos/capabilities before using it in ranked or qm.

4. You say the temporal events are useless but they are in fact quite useful as the temporal events are rewards for the F2P people who doesn't cash in the game (besides purchasing the game). Besides that, the temporal events are also quite beneficial for lore building as they will be releasing a campaign mode for people to chill and PvE. Even in games like Valorant, they have random events where you get banners, titles and radianite. Is it useless? No, because it is a reward for the players + it helps them build up and continue their lore.

[Glorious Comrade]

hard bot always parry stage 1 focus attack, all you need to do is hold to stage 2.

[BubbleTea]

Bots parry a lot, they try to teach you other things than constant 3 strike attacks or charging focus attacks. You should appreciate it.
Yes, they overwhelm, they swarm and you don't even have time to repair or find items. But this is supposed to make you better, instead you go here and complain. There's a casual mode for completing quests, hard is for learning.
Yes, hard bots piss me off and kill me very often but I never thought about complaining.

[A-tanatos-Ω]

Originally posted by nyanyunie:

2. Well, to be very frank, it's your own fault for reviving yourself at the same area where you looted and know there is nothing there/everything is scattered. The revival time is very long and you could have easily just revive somewhere unlooted but you made your choice cuz you are too lazy to loot again/find the items. If you are too lazy, then revive and win kill the bot then get back you item or just don't die to the bot. Simple.

3. If you can't chill and have fun with the bots in Naraka's hard mode, that's a whole you problem at this point. See, there is an option call "Casual" which is made for people to chill and just spam attacks. Literally the bots won't hunt you down and they just stand still after you hit em once. If you want to chill and not be constantly fighting, choose that. People who choose hard mode are usually people who don't mind getting hunted or they want test their combos/capabilities before using it in ranked or qm.

4. You say the temporal events are useless but they are in fact quite useful as the temporal events are rewards for the F2P people who doesn't cash in the game (besides purchasing the game). Besides that, the temporal events are also quite beneficial for lore building as they will be releasing a campaign mode for people to chill and PvE. Even in games like Valorant, they have random events where you get banners, titles and radianite. Is it useless? No, because it is a reward for the players + it helps them build up and continue their lore.

2. I can revive at different point, but here will be bots too. Super soon. I just do not see any reason in this fake revival at all - for me better to start new match in golden zone, instead of running somewhere with poor loot. This mode extremely unstable - i can be top 1 in first match and die from first bot in second battle.

3. Bots in casual is super lame, they just run around you all the time. It is boring as hell. Look, in fighting games/shooters i play only against hardest bots with no issues. I think, here can be the same case, if was available bots only bloodbath (that way no need to wait mm). But here no bots deathmatch mode.

4. Yeah, maybe. That is the thing, coz i buy SP and Matari's costumes. So, as you say yourself, they make stuff for ppl, that not, actually, support game with money. But ppl, that support game, must be satisfied, no? Otherwise they will spend their money somewhere else. Easy.

Originally posted by Glorious Comrade:

hard bot always parry stage 1 focus attack, all you need to do is hold to stage 2.

In my experience they parry any blue attack. Maybe it is because of lag - sometimes they miss, though. There was funny moment, when bot was on the rock, above me. My horizontal attack did not hit him at all, but he still was able to parry me)
Though, usually i just swing Great sword - simple attack, cancel, simple attack - blue attack. That way bots usually can not parry. Or simple, simple, simple, blue. Other weapons kill bots too slowww. Of course, long sword is good too with it's charged projectiles hits.

Originally posted by BubbleTea:

Yes, hard bots piss me off and kill me very often but I never thought about complaining.

It is not about complaining, there is definitely some stupid stuff with bots for sure - like they teach you to not do charge attacks at all; like they keep going from nowhere e t.c. It is not like real survival ranked mode in my experience. And for combat skill devs can make bots duels or bots bloodbath. Bloodbath is way better for improving combat, but i just do not have patience to wait mm, where will be 3 players and all others - simple bots.

[nyanyunie]

Originally posted by A-tanatos-Ω:

Originally posted by nyanyunie:

2. Well, to be very frank, it's your own fault for reviving yourself at the same area where you looted and know there is nothing there/everything is scattered. The revival time is very long and you could have easily just revive somewhere unlooted but you made your choice cuz you are too lazy to loot again/find the items. If you are too lazy, then revive and win kill the bot then get back you item or just don't die to the bot. Simple.

3. If you can't chill and have fun with the bots in Naraka's hard mode, that's a whole you problem at this point. See, there is an option call "Casual" which is made for people to chill and just spam attacks. Literally the bots won't hunt you down and they just stand still after you hit em once. If you want to chill and not be constantly fighting, choose that. People who choose hard mode are usually people who don't mind getting hunted or they want test their combos/capabilities before using it in ranked or qm.

4. You say the temporal events are useless but they are in fact quite useful as the temporal events are rewards for the F2P people who doesn't cash in the game (besides purchasing the game). Besides that, the temporal events are also quite beneficial for lore building as they will be releasing a campaign mode for people to chill and PvE. Even in games like Valorant, they have random events where you get banners, titles and radianite. Is it useless? No, because it is a reward for the players + it helps them build up and continue their lore.

2. I can revive at different point, but here will be bots too. Super soon. I just do not see any reason in this fake revival at all - for me better to start new match in golden zone, instead of running somewhere with poor loot. This mode extremely unstable - i can be top 1 in first match and die from first bot in second battle.

3. Bots in casual is super lame, they just run around you all the time. It is boring as hell. Look, in fighting games/shooters i play only against hardest bots with no issues. I think, here can be the same case, if was available bots only bloodbath (that way no need to wait mm). But here no bots deathmatch mode.

4. Yeah, maybe. That is the thing, coz i buy SP and Matari's costumes. So, as you say yourself, they make stuff for ppl, that not, actually, support game with money. But ppl, that support game, must be satisfied, no? Otherwise they will spend their money somewhere else. Easy.

Originally posted by Glorious Comrade:

hard bot always parry stage 1 focus attack, all you need to do is hold to stage 2.

In my experience they parry any blue attack. Maybe it is because of lag - sometimes they miss, though. There was funny moment, when bot was on the rock, above me. My horizontal attack did not hit him at all, but he still was able to parry me)
Though, usually i just swing Great sword - simple attack, cancel, simple attack - blue attack. That way bots usually can not parry. Or simple, simple, simple, blue. Other weapons kill bots too slowww. Of course, long sword is good too with it's charged projectiles hits.

Originally posted by BubbleTea:

Yes, hard bots piss me off and kill me very often but I never thought about complaining.

It is not about complaining, there is definitely some stupid stuff with bots for sure - like they teach you to not do charge attacks at all; like they keep going from nowhere e t.c. It is not like real survival ranked mode in my experience. And for combat skill devs can make bots duels or bots bloodbath. Bloodbath is way better for improving combat, but i just do not have patience to wait mm, where will be 3 players and all others - simple bots.

1. Hard mode is stable if you have a wide skill and combat knowledge. Honestly man, at this point, there is not a single plausible reason in your comment except that you are lazy to loot and fight therefore you want them to lower the difficulty by abit so that it won't be as hard for you. Like literally, that is the whole point of your argument. You don't bother trying because you will be killed anyways. Also, if you to die and still be able to revive in Hard mode Solo, you must have died pretty early.

2. I don't care what game you play with bots but honestly, you must be sad hoe if all you do in a fighting/fps games is to kill bots lmao. Anyways, just because you got your salty ass bested by a hard bot doesn't make the game bad. It just makes your skill diff obvious.

3. Everyone who plays the game is supporting the game with money. What the heck do you think they got the game for? Free? They paid for the game therefore they are also supporting the game with money. You chose to spend more money on the game and yea, that's your right but it doesn't really make you more superior than others because this ain't a fully F2P game. You might be supporting them abit more but that doesn't mean your opinion = the opinion of the whole community of people who whales in the game. Unless it's a big issue and actually agreed to by the majority, they don't need to satisfy you. Stop sounding like you are superior just because you chose to splurge thanks to their marketing schemes.

Also, yes, you are just complaining. Anyways, I'm gonna be on my way out and please do keep complaining although I ain't gonna reply anymore because your whole argument is lacking a whole lot of reasoning.

[ImmortalKing]

The bots need to be improved not nerfed

[A-tanatos-Ω]

Originally posted by ImmortalKing:

The bots need to be improved not nerfed

No one talking about nerfing there - bot's must simulate human behaviour, not just cheating with auto parry and wall hack. Devs improve bot every update, but bots still stupid enough to die in shadow corruption every time.

[Deus Pavise ☀]

Damn If u have 400 hours and struggle against hard bots maybe this game is not for you.

[Kormit the Frag]

ive started playing solo vs trio on hard bots to master all the characters.
its not hard.
parry them first so they have no weapon to parry you with or just dont spam charged attacks like a bonobo.

like even 1v3 against bots, if you need that extra revive, then its just a skill issue idk what else to tell you.
you can beat a bot with purple armor and weapons with no armor and a grey dagger, just play smarter and not spamming vertical charged xD

you can just walk away from them the whole game lol, ive had to avoid them for hte last 3 hours doing this god awful ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ valda stash quest.

[No0bs_Satanic]

tbh I was playing hard bots always and they were really hard. Now though after the update they seem way easier than before and not sure why. when you usually hit a charged attack they parry it most of the time but now they are being way to stupid than before.
Not sure if it is just me or did some one notice this too after their recent update.

[Owlusory]

Originally posted by BubbleTea:

Bots parry a lot, they try to teach you other things than constant 3 strike attacks or charging focus attacks. You should appreciate it.
Yes, they overwhelm, they swarm and you don't even have time to repair or find items. But this is supposed to make you better, instead you go here and complain. There's a casual mode for completing quests, hard is for learning.
Yes, hard bots piss me off and kill me very often but I never thought about complaining.

Instead of complaining that someone complains and going into a forum just to troll someone, you should give them advice without the toxicity thanks.