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Dragon (已封禁) 2020 年 10 月 17 日 上午 11:54
Is the NISA version of CS4 missing Alisa's VOFAN costume?
Is the NISA version of CS4 missing Alisa's VOFAN costume?

When I look at the store link here: https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP1063-CUSA19637_00-DIGITALDELUXE000

...Alisa's VOFAN costume doesn't seem like it would be included inside of the DLC bundles that are listed there.

According to what information I could gather from the internet, in the original Japanese release, Alisa's VOFAN costume was released as its own standalone DLC.

I.e:

https://www.gematsu.com/2018/11/the-legend-of-heroes-trails-of-cold-steel-iv-vofan-designed-alisa-dlc-costume-now-available-in-japan

https://store.playstation.com/ja-jp/product/JP0425-CUSA12230_00-EDSENADDCONT0010

...but a standalone DLC of it doesn't seem to be listed on that store page for the NISA version.

If the VOFAN costume is indeed missing, then the public would need to know via a statement from NISA:

1) Why, exactly, is it missing?
2) Is NISA going to release it within the next couple of months (i.e. like they did with Active Red for CS3)? Or is NISA never going to release it?

In the case that the premise of this thread is incorrect and the VOFAN costume is already in the NISA CS4 as it is currently being released, then please post that information as well.
最后由 Dragon 编辑于; 2020 年 10 月 17 日 上午 11:56
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etch 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 9:50 
Exact quote is, "vofan and utawarerumono dlcs will not be available in the NA/EU releases"
Setsuna 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 10:39 
^ Exactly what was said in the Discord.

引用自 Dragon
And I don't see why there would be 'licensing issues' with VOFAN given the fact that previous CS games from XSEED do have VOFAN's costumes in them, do they not? So that would suggest that VOFAN himself doesn't have a problem with letting his work into Western releases of CS.
Technically speaking, the costume is in the game data, but you cannot legally access it since the DLC was never offered for buying in the west. If someone wants the outfit you need to do some modding to the game. CS1 also has this with some variations of the school uniforms. Both were unable for purchase due to XSEED being unable to get the rights for them

引用自 Dragon
Or is it pressure from Sony causing them to censor it for Puritan-related ideology reasons under the guise of "licensing issues?" For example, in theory, Sony could have said something to NISA like: we object to allowing VOFAN Alisa onto our Western PS4 consoles and we will not allow you to sell it on our store.

I really doubt that, since I believe the game came out after Sony changed their policies where even games made in Japan need approval from them.
最后由 Setsuna 编辑于; 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 10:40
Legendary Mr. Tiddles 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 10:43 
"If you want cheezburger, be the cheezburger"
etch 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 10:50 
The rights must be weird considering VOFAN did Rean's Unspeakable costume and XSEED and NISA have been able to release those. But XSEED couldn't use Alisa's VOFAN costume in Cold Steel 2 and now we are seeing this again in Cold Steel 4.
最后由 etch 编辑于; 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 11:00
Henrykins 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 11:41 
^^^^ Yo i said the same thing, it's really weird. Maybe the mods will save us if we don't get it Kappa.

@Dragon this was also noted on discord: "VoFan Alisa and Utawarerumono DLC will NOT be available in the NA/EU releases due to licensing issues (both costumes are not wholly owned by Falcom but a different licensor...they got every costume aside from these two sets)"
etch 2020 年 10 月 28 日 上午 11:53 
引用自 Henrykins
^^^^ Yo i said the same thing, it's really weird. Maybe the mods will save us if we don't get it Kappa.

@Dragon this was also noted on discord: "VoFan Alisa and Utawarerumono DLC will NOT be available in the NA/EU releases due to licensing issues (both costumes are not wholly owned by Falcom but a different licensor...they got every costume aside from these two sets)"
Is it confirmed how the licenses are? I could not find a NISA employee who stated it was actually licensing and that statement seemed to come from speculation.
Henrykins 2020 年 10 月 28 日 下午 12:41 
引用自 etch
引用自 Henrykins
^^^^ Yo i said the same thing, it's really weird. Maybe the mods will save us if we don't get it Kappa.

@Dragon this was also noted on discord: "VoFan Alisa and Utawarerumono DLC will NOT be available in the NA/EU releases due to licensing issues (both costumes are not wholly owned by Falcom but a different licensor...they got every costume aside from these two sets)"
Is it confirmed how the licenses are? I could not find a NISA employee who stated it was actually licensing and that statement seemed to come from speculation.

It's pretty much speculation. Sorry I forgot to add that part in there. tbh a lot of people are left in the dark about why there are somethings not localized by other publishers. It's kind of irritating to customers not knowing the real reason and all we can do is just speculate.
Jeffer'son Airship 2020 年 11 月 2 日 下午 1:58 
The unfortunate reality is that they can't really give specifics due to how business is done in Japan.

It's a big cultural faux pas to speak about contract issues. Like to the point a company might not want to deal with you at all any more if you reveal too much.
Dragon (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 16 日 上午 12:32 
Thanks for those of you who have posted the info that we know about this.

So then, it seems we still need to know answers to questions like:

1. Who, exactly, owns the IP rights to the missing costumes?

2. Did NISA actually approach them and ask for the rights?

3. If they were approached and said "No" to NISA, then what is the reason, exactly, for why they said No?

4. If it's a matter of money, then would NISA be willing to crowdfund the cost of paying for the licensing rights, and then buy the rights if - and only if - they raise enough money through the crowdfunding effort?

Seems to me like there is more to be done on this issue, and we ought not to let it go simply with the explanation of they can't do it because of licensing issues...at least not until we learn more details about the nature of the problem, and then see if there are more possible solutions to it that NISA hasn't considered yet.

And if we can't figure out these answers on our own, then I'm sure games journalists may have access to some inside sources who might be able to shed some light on these matters, even if they have to speak 'off the record' to do so.

Maybe we can email some sites like Gematsu and DualShockers and ask them if they'd be willing to investigate this matter?
最后由 Dragon 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 16 日 上午 12:40
etch 2020 年 11 月 16 日 上午 12:55 
The only thing they could do at this point I suppose is hope the sales and recognition for Cold Steel IV's English releases are good enough and maybe go back for the license.
MysteryK 2021 年 4 月 11 日 下午 1:35 
I would like to know if this will progress or not with VOFAN DLC issue.
etch 2021 年 4 月 11 日 下午 1:39 
引用自 MysteryK11
I would like to know if this will progress or not with VOFAN DLC issue.
Theres probably nothing that can be done if it is a licensing issue only hope would be if someone could mod it in.
Jeffer'son Airship 2021 年 4 月 11 日 下午 2:31 
We'll never hear official word if it's a licensing issue because Japan considers business contracts like that private affairs to not be discussed with the public.

It's why there was always radio silence on voice licensing as well in the past.
NISASean  [开发者] 2021 年 4 月 11 日 下午 4:14 
We do our best to release all the available contents to us and I can confirm that we have not missed any DLCs that are available to us. This thread will now be locked.
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