Post your most hateful character

[Sky Striker Ace - Kagari]

I go first. I despise Rufus. I would like to say the reason but i don't want to say any spoilers.

[vkobe]

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your info are outdated, in next kiseki only him and his robot fight a group of jeager and he is one of protagonist

You are confusing what happens *after* CS4 with what Cedric is like *before* and during CS4. And even in Hajimari he's initially still a weak, spoiled prince boy and he only gets stronger after he recognizes this and learns to let it go.

He doesn't *yet* learn to "recognize it and let it go" in CS3 & 4 which we're discussing. In these games he's weak because his mindset is holding him back.

sorry but in the prologue claire never use her hax skill and mary bell never use her doll to one shoot estelle group, so nope they were not serious

https://youtu.be/VKzZWGdYzbc?list=PLfHNwQ6LzMDLdbVfDJWCNdrlZ7ZWZpR0g&t=5204
Claire explicitly turns on her "hax power" in the cutscene leading to the fight, and they (specifically Alberich) *will* use their S-Crafts if you don't beat them fast enough.

That fight serves largely as a tutorial with characters you can't customize, so some parts of the gameplay aren't used (like order blocking etc) but do you honestly believe Claire wasn't *serious* when she was saying she's going to arrest them for breaking in the government property? Because she sure as heck ain't looking like she's joking. And they all initially act quite dejected when you do complete your objective, which would hardly be the case if they're just playing around with no actual intention of doing what they said they'd do, i.e. prevent you from obtaining the data.

and i dont really call that estelle beat the trio, because they just want to steal the data and retreat, not beat the trio, when kea sucefull hacking the computer they just run away and franz didnt insist to pursuit them

I say Estelle and friends beat Alberich's group because Alberich and "friends" couldn't stop Estelle's team from completing their objective, even though they fully intended to. When you declare "i'll stop you from doing X!" and then fail to do so, then that's pretty clearly your loss. And any excuses "oh but i just wasn't *trying hard enough*" are just that, excuses. At the very least Alberich & co misjudged strenghts of both teams if they thought they could fool around.

sorry, but the hero was thomas and his song, else it ended badly for rean and his group and it is not rean consider, but osborn asking rean to use it and he said maybe rean and his group have chance if rean go in berserk mode

Osborne is taunting Rean about it, but then we see Rean going "..." for a while. So i'm pretty sure it's supposed to suggest he's considering it, before he ultimately decides against because he senses incoming reinforcements and realizes it won't be necessary.

And yes, the reinforcements did end up tilting victory to one side. Just like if the reinforcements for the Osborne's group arrived first, it'd him getting a win. But while neither of these were present, it was a draw. Which, for a guy who's supposed to be able to "crush them easily alone" is hardly a bragging point.

because in cold steel 3 old class 7 didnt shine either, they look rusty, only rean, emma, alisa and gaius really improve themselves

jusis, machias and eliot look weak in cold steel 3

your video also show you only need to reduce their hp at half, so i dont call that you are forced to beat them, but more give time for kea to hack the computer

and great you show protagonists from other kiseki game wining a 8 vs 3, dont change what i said than jusis, eliot, machias dont have chance, you talk 8 experienced fighters with ex ouroboros members from other kiseki game and one or two of them are in theory at rean level without his berserk mode and compare them against 3 thor student who back to civilian live, you think jusis, machias and eliot would be able to beat loyd and estelle ?

and mary bell didnt show her dolls at full strenght, every time she use it she one shot one of my team member, you need to use the invincible buff or go in stheal mode with altina or fie

and i remind you in your video estelle group running away, not franz group

but neither you prove their goal is to kill, you only show than estelle group give time for kea to hack the computer, yes franz group try to stop them, but nothing suggest they want to kill estelle group, it is like with rean+altina against loyd and rixia in crossbell, both side dont have intention to kill, but only to stop other side

i never said he will crush easly, but only rean, aurelia and vita are relevent to be able to fight back osborn and his elite guard, all the other need at least rean to be able to beat high level fighter

and dont give me the example with juna group, they just need to beat rose in her child form or reduce hp of xeno or leo

[Haseo]

Rean

[stm8022]

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The break helped me realize there isn't a single bit in this argument left that'd have any relevance on the actual, initial subject so i'm going to save everybody a headache and drop it.

At the end of the day, facts basic facts are simple.

- what Lechter and Claire did: they did take active part in orchestrating a world war under a false pretense, and fought Rean & friends who were trying to save Altina from getting killed
- what Lechter and Claire didn't do: they didn't lift a finger to help Altina, even though they knew she's going to get killed.

If you think none of this was "wrong" and "Lechter and Claire did nothing wrong", then i guess you're welcome to cling to this delusion. Perhaps it is even shared by the writers, incomprehensible as it is; seeing how the whole situation is addressed only with the usual anime nonsense "rah rah we will never give up on you and you just wait, we will totally get through to you with our fists!"
(instead of maybe, you know, talking things out while they have some actual opportunity to do so, like sane adults would)

[vkobe]

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The break helped me realize there isn't a single bit in this argument left that'd have any relevance on the actual, initial subject so i'm going to save everybody a headache and drop it.

At the end of the day, facts basic facts are simple.

- what Lechter and Claire did: they did take active part in orchestrating a world war under a false pretense, and fought Rean & friends who were trying to save Altina from getting killed
- what Lechter and Claire didn't do: they didn't lift a finger to help Altina, even though they knew she's going to get killed.

If you think none of this was "wrong" and "Lechter and Claire did nothing wrong", then i guess you're welcome to cling to this delusion. Perhaps it is even shared by the writers, incomprehensible as it is; seeing how the whole situation is addressed only with the usual anime nonsense "rah rah we will never give up on you and you just wait, we will totally get through to you with our fists!"
(instead of maybe, you know, talking things out while they have some actual opportunity to do so, like sane adults would)

so punish the half of erobonia population and even 75% of them since they wanted to kick calvare ass and dont forget to punish millium, altina and rean too, because they prepared the field for the war when they were very active in crossbell war and ambria war

we didnt see either rean friend running to rean group when they stopped to fight their opponant and you dont have proof than claire and lechter knew than cedric will kill altina

like i said maybe you want execute also rean millium and altina to be very very active in the civil war, crossbell invasion and north ambria invasion and why not the 3/4 of erobonia population since they were very happy to go in war against calvare

[JoiseyDragun]

Mariabell for sure. I never got to play the Crossbell games yet so I don't really understand her motives. But she's such an arrogant, and apparently traitorous ♥♥♥♥♥, so I hope one day Juna clocks her jaw off or something.

[stm8022]

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so punish the half of erobonia population and even 75% of them since they wanted to kick calvare ass

75% of population wanted revenge because they were cynically lied to that Calvard has shot their beloved emperor. Lied to by said emperor, Osborne and the Ironbloods including Lechter and Claire.

and you dont have proof than claire and lechter knew than cedric will kill altina

https://youtu.be/nEAhTXh7wwk?list=PLfHNwQ6LzMDLdbVfDJWCNdrlZ7ZWZpR0g&t=2714
Claire explicitly confirms that she and Lechter were aware Altina was to be killed, and unlike Milium they thought it's a-ok.

[vkobe]

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so punish the half of erobonia population and even 75% of them since they wanted to kick calvare ass

75% of population wanted revenge because they were cynically lied to that Calvard has shot their beloved emperor. Lied to by said emperor, Osborne and the Ironbloods including Lechter and Claire.

and you dont have proof than claire and lechter knew than cedric will kill altina

https://youtu.be/nEAhTXh7wwk?list=PLfHNwQ6LzMDLdbVfDJWCNdrlZ7ZWZpR0g&t=2714
Claire explicitly confirms that she and Lechter were aware Altina was to be killed, and unlike Milium they thought it's a-ok.

i am not here to defend the emperor or the royal family, if you want execute them go ahead

at this point soldiers under general craig and general vander should know the truth, but they are still very motivated to go in war against calvare

she said she feel guilty to not treat altina like millium, i remind you altina didnt benefit the chance to have claire and lechter as tutor, so mostly she was introduce to claire and lechter in cold steel 2 and what play against her it is she was opponant and later mostly work with rean and she look more robot than your classic little girl as millium, so it is easier to be friend with millium than with altina, altina develop her human part with rean and not with claire and lechter

and you should admit than altina was not so lovable in cold steel 2 and at the begining of cold steel 3

while than millium was already cool when we meet her the first time

[stm8022]

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she said she feel guilty to not treat altina like millium

No; "a tool to be discarded" confirms they were aware Altina was to be "discarded" i.e. killed.

[vkobe]

she said she feel guilty to not treat altina better, but nothing suggest she knew than cedric will kill altina

so in cold steel 3 altina was just a random soldier for claire and lechter, not the soldier you fight along like with millium

so altina mostly belong to rean than with claire and lechter

and i dont blame her for that, at the end of cold steel 2 i didnt feel altina as a friend, but she was still a hostile character for me, even at beginning of cold steel 3 i look altina as hostile character

so altina problem it is she was at opposite side in cold steel 2

it is the same problem with duvalie and vita, they side with us, but the opposite side still stuck with them in cold steel 4

so when the bad guy side with you, it is still hard to see him like an ally

[stm8022]

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she said she feel guilty to not treat altina better, but nothing suggest she knew than cedric will kill altina

No; can't you read? I have posted exactly what more than just "suggests" all Ironbloods knew Altina was to be killed.

[vkobe]

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she said she feel guilty to not treat altina better, but nothing suggest she knew than cedric will kill altina

No; can't you read? I have posted exactly what more than just "suggests" all Ironbloods knew Altina was to be killed.

plz show where she said she knew than altina will be killed, she said she treat altina ♥♥♥♥♥♥, not than she knew she will be killed

and

a tool to be discarded

can also mean you use it and move her to another department or just fire her or just ignore her and ask her to begone to another place

i see often this word in real life and fiction and 99% of time it doesnt mean the poor dude will be killed, but more we dont need you anymore so plz begone

if your point is claire and lechter were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ person with altina, i agree with you, but it doesnt mean they want her die or knew she will be die

[stm8022]

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plz show where she said she knew than altina will be killed

I did. You keep pretending you don't understand it, or genuinely are incapable of understanding it. In any case this isn't my problem.

a tool to be discarded

can also mean you use it and move her to another department or just fire her or just ignore her and ask her to begone to another place

By saying that's what it "can also" mean, you effectively admit you do realize that it *also* means what i say it does. And while normally you'd have a point, we need to keep in mind this:

your "maybe they meant moving her to another department" fanfiction simply doesn't fit when you consider Milium *also* knew Altina was to be "sacrificed" i.e. killed. In the same scene all three of them, Lechter, Claire and Milium all state that by coming to Altina's rescue Milium had tricked them both. And there would be no need for Milium to *trick* Lechter and Claire if they neither didn't know Altina was going to die, or if they knew but wanted her saved.

We also can't ignore that Alberich openly explains how Altina is going to get killed when Rean's team gets to the bottom floor. And Lechter and Claire as shown as both able to hear this explanation, and not really surprised by it. Hearing this doesn't change their behavior at all, even though at this point you can no longer pretend "but they didn't know!"

So, no. Claire isn't "feeling guilty she didn't treat Altina nice". She's feeling guilty she and Lechter along with the other Ironbloods were told Altina was going to get killed as part of some inane world destruction plan, and that they're needed to participate in it, and they both went "well, ok".

(though still not feeling guilty enough to offer even a simple "i'm sorry")

[vkobe]

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plz show where she said she knew than altina will be killed

I did. You keep pretending you don't understand it, or genuinely are incapable of understanding it. In any case this isn't my problem.

a tool to be discarded

can also mean you use it and move her to another department or just fire her or just ignore her and ask her to begone to another place

By saying that's what it "can also" mean, you effectively admit you do realize that it *also* means what i say it does. And while normally you'd have a point, we need to keep in mind this:

your "maybe they meant moving her to another department" fanfiction simply doesn't fit when you consider Milium *also* knew Altina was to be "sacrificed" i.e. killed. In the same scene all three of them, Lechter, Claire and Milium all state that by coming to Altina's rescue Milium had tricked them both. And there would be no need for Milium to *trick* Lechter and Claire if they neither didn't know Altina was going to die, or if they knew but wanted her saved.

We also can't ignore that Alberich openly explains how Altina is going to get killed when Rean's team gets to the bottom floor. And Lechter and Claire as shown as both able to hear this explanation, and not really surprised by it. Hearing this doesn't change their behavior at all, even though at this point you can no longer pretend "but they didn't know!"

So, no. Claire isn't "feeling guilty she didn't treat Altina nice". She's feeling guilty she and Lechter along with the other Ironbloods were told Altina was going to get killed as part of some inane world destruction plan, and that they're needed to participate in it, and they both went "well, ok".

(though still not feeling guilty enough to offer even a simple "i'm sorry")

nope, you only show than she treat altina like ♥♥♥♥, not than she knew she will be killed

only you interpret that than for claire and lechter it mean they are happy to kill altina, but you can use thoses words when you dont need anymore a person

millium was with rean in crossbell, she could warn rean at this time and rean later could insist with altina than she should not go or he could run away with altina or ask help to run away with altina

i didnt see either jusis, elliot and machias being surprised

but millium didnt go to cedric she went to the holy beast, she didnt save altina from cedric she saved rean group from the holy beast when she saw the holy beast to have upper hand on rean group, i remind you she could jump to altina or to rean after she saw him chatting with franz/osborn

i dont deny claire and lechter feel bad for what happened to altina, but i remind you rean friend also feel bad for what happened to altina, do it made them guilty too ?

[Mistfox]

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No insult intended but a lot of your "evidence" and conclusions are either random speculations or totally illogical at best.

Fair enough on the speculation part; the actual info we get is very limited so yes, what we can derive from it is going to be mostly speculations. However, if you're going to brand my speculations/conclusions illogical, then it'd be nice if you bothered to at least name what specifically you're referring to.

Read closer who I was quoting when I made that reply.
I've given up talking to vkobe, he can twist language so badly that black becomes white, there really isn't any point continuing.

[Lanosa]

The character I hate most? Rufus Albarea.

Why? (don't watch spoiler unless you're on Eventide or Finale) Because Rufus killed Arianrhod when Rean was trying save her