Fabricator feels useless

[mcflux101]

I just wanted to pick the issue up I was adding in the already completed issue.

I noticed that the Fabricator has a disolve rate of x0.5 the mass and for fabricating it consumes x4 times the mass. This make the feature useless in my eyes.

I thought the feature should allow to convert easily between items back and forward. but since tha same item requires 8 times!!! itself to produce its a wast. This requires me to manually combine dust all tiers up since the crafter also doesnt upgrades it by itself.

This convertion rate should be 1:1 to allow free convertion between items. Its already using a LOT of resources to get the 1000 items of a kind to only be able to produce it.

This could maybe be a reason why I even stop play the game. its a tideous process with the convertion and feels incredible punshing.

Cheers.

[Gnollmar]

It's useless until you can use it effectively, which is after you get infinity stone really, before that its more like, "just do it while cooldowns is running".

When you get an ok rate of fire, earth and electricity stones, you can use 400h refine skip quite often. Then just dissolve everything and make your stuff.

PS:
In second floor of mine you get an artifact increasing amount from dissolve and reducing amount consumed ...

[mcflux101]

Ah okay. Well im not there yet since cant beat wave 100B. Its still very tideous. unnecessary tideous. But then i know what building to update next then.

[AnaLoGMunKy]

I have to agree, its feel pointless being able to get the fabricator if its not useful until later on.
If you have to get the second floor of the mine to make it useful then the fabricator shoulnt, imo, be available until after you get that, or just speed up the base value because right now, its way faster to just craft stuff and Im only unlocking things in the fab for the lolz.

But Im kinda bored of it and regretting not just getting the mine lvl2 instead :(

[Gnollmar]

Originally posted by AnaLoGMunKy:

I have to agree, its feel pointless being able to get the fabricator if its not useful until later on.
If you have to get the second floor of the mine to make it useful then the fabricator shoulnt, imo, be available until after you get that, or just speed up the base value because right now, its way faster to just craft stuff and Im only unlocking things in the fab for the lolz.

But Im kinda bored of it and regretting not just getting the mine lvl2 instead :(

The best one is power plant, it gives HUGE boosts, so get that one next ;)

[mcflux101]

But if I dont get the mine I wont be able to use the factory efficiently either and have to wait until next big upgrade at MT12. Im not sure If I want to do this. I would proabably lose interest. Like th factory now that I have it a bit going, but I cannot get over that fabricator. Its horrible design.

[Vesper]

Originally posted by mcflux101:

But if I dont get the mine I wont be able to use the factory efficiently either and have to wait until next big upgrade at MT12. Im not sure If I want to do this. I would proabably lose interest. Like th factory now that I have it a bit going, but I cannot get over that fabricator. Its horrible design.

It's really not a "horrible design"; it works perfectly fine.

Just because you're at a point in the game where it seems to be inefficient doesn't mean it is. It's meant to be fully utilized in end game. In fact none of the 2nd floors are really very useful out of the gate because they tend to have high resource costs. Factory was my second 2nd floor upgrade (and yeah, it's a poor decision to make but it's not the end of the world).

[mcflux101]

That you get a feature but actually cant use it for hours and hours is not good design (thats my opinion). If its used for endgame, it should be available later.

[Xenos6666]

They aren't really balanced yet, and are not really meant to be. The second floors are still in their "early access" versions right now, and you don't have to worry about the future as the devs have plans for reworks and rebalancing for most of the buildings that haven't been worked on recently (although it might take them a while to rework all of them).

They definitely do want to make it so all second floor options feel good and provide decent benefits no matter when you get them in the "final" version of the game.

[mcflux101]

Okay. that at least sounds good. I hope I dont burn out until they change something.

[Xenos6666]

As for the fabricator, it's more supposed to work as a "trash can with benefits" then an easy conversion between all items (at least right now), as that would entierly defeat the point of crafting, especially as you progress and the fabricator starts becoming thousands of times faster then normal crafting.

[Xenos6666]

Originally posted by mcflux101:

Okay. that at least sounds good. I hope I dont burn out until they change something.

Well, you probably won't burn yourself out if you just continue progressing as this game has a lot more in store, just make sure you don't just focus on the factory as it doesn't really have enough content to pull the weight of the whole game by itself.

Reworks and balancing for buildings might take a while to come as some big late/end-game update are in the work right now, but hopefully we see more of them omce this comes out

[AnaLoGMunKy]

I like the idea of what the fabricator does, but getting it at MT4 feels like a total waste. I dont mean to come across as overly annoyed but I do feel strongly that this needs tweaked, which the Devs likely are :) but I just want to make sure another voice is heard with what I hope is some constructive criticism.

Perhaps it needs to be a bit cheaper to use but maybe take longer to make stuff or vice-versa? Right now its just silly that I spend more resources and time than I would just getting a decent script to make things for me in the normal factory. I did see a post where the devs talked about the framerate messing with the tick rate so I suspect thats part of the problem.

I get that its endgame stuff, so maybe this should only be available in the endgame and not at MT4 or it needs to be tweaked to be actually useful at MT4 too, maybe making lower tier resources very easily but still putting higher tiers out of reach? Alternatively, if I could use this to slowly make a single higher tier of producer but it took 24 hours, that would have potential.

As it is, the amount of resources I need to put in to even start getting anything back is kinda extreme at MT4 when I first got it.
Im just shy of MT 8 now, Im slowly adding to it and its something to do, but Im not getting any return for spending 1k of each low tier resource and I certainly aint putting 1k of any of my higher tier products/ores in. Im much better spending those resources to just up-scaling to higher tier ores or making a higher tier producer etc

Overall, I love the idea of the fabricator and I feel it almost fits its intended purpose at MT4 but needs some tweaks to make it useful.

[Acaykath]

I am pretty sure that the main purpose of the fabricator is a place to dispose of the stuff you get from asteroid mining. It just can't fabricate fast enough too actually be better than the crafter, not to mention the insane time costs. I've made about 1 green ore a day... which doesn't really help when I need a couple hundred thousand of them to feed the crafter. Plus I get 2 every 15 minutes from refining. I get most of it from up tiering from T2 ore. (i'd say T1 ore, but even with scripts T10 equipment can only process so much. I am beginning to consider using it as fabricator fodder like I do my sapling rubber)

[Vesper]

Originally posted by Acaykath:

It just can't fabricate fast enough too actually be better than the crafter

I'm fabbing 3 T10 Dust a Factory second.

[Acaykath]

Originally posted by Vesper:

Originally posted by Acaykath:

It just can't fabricate fast enough too actually be better than the crafter

I'm fabbing 3 T10 Dust a Factory second.

Either you are a far higher tier than I am, or you have a lot of sacrificial materials to waste.