Looks cool, but.. 1600 players at release?

[Lycon]

Idk, seems like a waste of 30 euros? Specially since it relies on other players to make content.

[Sel Und Irae]

I'd wait for sale, I'm enjoying it but the price isn't justified.

It's very barebones if you wanna build they put too much effort into raiders and not enough into building.

[Trichouette]

You're forgeting the game has cross content, meaning we get outposts from console players as well.

[Painsen]

Originally posted by Trichouette:

You're forgeting the game has cross content, meaning we get outposts from console players as well.

is it? all raids i did, i could find the creator on steam, but i didnt check all, just the outposts i liked.

[Trichouette]

Originally posted by Painsen:

Originally posted by Trichouette:

You're forgeting the game has cross content, meaning we get outposts from console players as well.

is it? all raids i did, i could find the creator on steam, but i didnt check all, just the outposts i liked.

Some players don't have a steam icon next to their name. I'm assuming that means they're console players.

[Painsen]

Originally posted by Trichouette:

Originally posted by Painsen:

is it? all raids i did, i could find the creator on steam, but i didnt check all, just the outposts i liked.

Some players don't have a steam icon next to their name. I'm assuming that means they're player consoles.

ah okay thats possible, will check this later.

[Vision]

Yea playerbase seems to decline already. I'm on the brink of buying but i'm not sure if I wanna take the risk for 30 bucks.

[morph113]

The majority of players I see are on console so I'd say there are probably more players on console than on PC. Peak playercount is about 3k players during the day on Steam. Now that is concurrent players, the actual player amount is much higher of course. If you include console (since the game has crossplay) it's probably at the very least 10k concurrent or more.

Let's just do a little guesswork here. 3K peak players on Steam. That means there is probably easily at least 30k total unique players playing at least every 2 days or so. Probably more. Each one has at the very least 1 active outpost on average. Many players have more though, but assuming some expire while players are offline, let's go with 1 outpost per player. Now include the players on console and there will be probably over 100k different active outposts that you could get and due to the game design of prestige level being 10 max, there will always be new outposts to pick from unless player count reached zero some day.

I'd say the player count is fairly good for a game like this. Of course the more the better. But perhaps if the game gets more content updates and streamers are picking it up more, it gets more exposure and more players. But for the time being, the amount of outposts is far more than you could ever play even with the current player numbers.

[Kyubox]

Originally posted by morph113:

The majority of players I see are on console so I'd say there are probably more players on console than on PC. Peak playercount is about 3k players during the day on Steam. Now that is concurrent players, the actual player amount is much higher of course. If you include console (since the game has crossplay) it's probably at the very least 10k concurrent or more.

Let's just do a little guesswork here. 3K peak players on Steam. That means there is probably easily at least 30k total unique players playing at least every 2 days or so. Probably more. Each one has at the very least 1 active outpost on average. Many players have more though, but assuming some expire while players are offline, let's go with 1 outpost per player. Now include the players on console and there will be probably over 100k different active outposts that you could get and due to the game design of prestige level being 10 max, there will always be new outposts to pick from unless player count reached zero some day.

I'd say the player count is fairly good for a game like this. Of course the more the better. But perhaps if the game gets more content updates and streamers are picking it up more, it gets more exposure and more players. But for the time being, the amount of outposts is far more than you could ever play even with the current player numbers.

Its free on PS+. That dramatically inflates player numbers but the real test will be how many of them actually buy the game when the month is over. I'd assume less people will buy it on console than here on Steam, judging by the general "console players quit maps way faster and don't seem as invested" comments I've seen in this forum.

[morph113]

Ah yeah didn't know it's free on Playstation plus, only for a month? I guess that does inflate the numbers a bit. And yeah console players have a bit of a disadvantage as with a controller you just can't react the same way to traps that you can with mouse+KB. But still, just taking Steam player numbers alone is decent enough isn't it? Maybe the 30k unique players was a bit much, but let's say at least 10k I think is every reasonable. That's at least 10k unique outposts. You aren't running out of content even with current Steam player numbers. And plenty enough people to raid your own base. Unless the game gets on dangerously low player numbers like 100-200 players a day or whatnot, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[Ghost]

A majority of players are definitely playing on consoles. Around 80% of outposts and replays I get have the globe icon.

[Kyubox]

Originally posted by morph113:

Ah yeah didn't know it's free on Playstation plus, only for a month? I guess that does inflate the numbers a bit. And yeah console players have a bit of a disadvantage as with a controller you just can't react the same way to traps that you can with mouse+KB. But still, just taking Steam player numbers alone is decent enough isn't it? Maybe the 30k unique players was a bit much, but let's say at least 10k I think is every reasonable. That's at least 10k unique outposts. You aren't running out of content even with current Steam player numbers. And plenty enough people to raid your own base. Unless the game gets on dangerously low player numbers like 100-200 players a day or whatnot, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Why do you think there's 10k players?

https://steamdb.info/app/1194810/charts/

According to Steam DB, the game peaks at around 3k players total. Are you saying more than double that play on console? Also, a lot of people just don't make bases. I raised a concern in another thread that if everyone made bases, there would be too many bases for anyone to play yours. People commented that they don't all make bases and many didn't make ANY at all. Some raiders just want to raid. Which means the total number of bases will always be less than the total number of players.

[Emperor Fooble]

Everyone should make up their own mind, but I'm loving the game and enjoying the gameplay loop.

[morph113]

Originally posted by Kyubox:

Originally posted by morph113:

Ah yeah didn't know it's free on Playstation plus, only for a month? I guess that does inflate the numbers a bit. And yeah console players have a bit of a disadvantage as with a controller you just can't react the same way to traps that you can with mouse+KB. But still, just taking Steam player numbers alone is decent enough isn't it? Maybe the 30k unique players was a bit much, but let's say at least 10k I think is every reasonable. That's at least 10k unique outposts. You aren't running out of content even with current Steam player numbers. And plenty enough people to raid your own base. Unless the game gets on dangerously low player numbers like 100-200 players a day or whatnot, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Why do you think there's 10k players?

https://steamdb.info/app/1194810/charts/

Because you have to understand the difference between concurrent players and total active players. Concurrent players are just the players that are playing right at this moment. Steamdb doesn't show unique weekly or monthly players anymore like it used to back when profiles weren't private by default. The amount of actual unique active players per week for most games was typically between 5 to 10 times the peak player count or even higher.
Like you have a group of players let's call them players Z which are 10 unique players. They playing in the first half of the day at the same time, so concurrent players are 10. The second half of the day you have player group Y that are also 10 players, but player group Z stopped playing already. So you still only have 10 concurrent players. But overall that day it would have been 20 total unique players. Just as a simple example.

So while there are 3k concurrent players during peak hours on Steam, that means the actual total amount of daily unique players on Steam should range anywhere from at least 10k to 30k players. It's just how it works. Most people only play a few hours tops per day. If I play in the morning it means I won't be among those 3k players that play during peak hours. And even during peak hours it's not just 3k players. Every minute you have players logging in and out.

Since the change to private profiles, total owners and unique players can only be estimated. Steamdb estimates the game has between 30k to 60k owners so far if you scroll a bit down. Considering the game is only a few days old it's safe to assume that at least half of them are probably still active in one way or another.

And since you can raid player bases (and get raided) while you or the other player is offline, it the total amount of players is more important to look at here than the concurrent player base as the multiplayer part (unless you co-op) isn't done "live".

[Kyubox]

Originally posted by morph113:

Originally posted by Kyubox:

Why do you think there's 10k players?

https://steamdb.info/app/1194810/charts/

Because you have to understand the difference between concurrent players and total active players. Concurrent players are just the players that are playing right at this moment. Steamdb doesn't show unique weekly or monthly players anymore like it used to back when profiles weren't private by default. The amount of actual unique active players per week for most games was typically between 5 to 10 times the peak player count or even higher.
Like you have a group of players let's call them players Z which are 10 unique players. They playing in the first half of the day at the same time, so concurrent players are 10. The second half of the day you have player group Y that are also 10 players, but player group Z stopped playing already. So you still only have 10 concurrent players. But overall that day it would have been 20 total unique players. Just as a simple example.

So while there are 3k concurrent players during peak hours on Steam, that means the actual total amount of daily unique players on Steam should range anywhere from at least 10k to 30k players. It's just how it works. Most people only play a few hours tops per day. If I play in the morning it means I won't be among those 3k players that play during peak hours. And even during peak hours it's not just 3k players. Every minute you have players logging in and out.

Since the change to private profiles, total owners and unique players can only be estimated. Steamdb estimates the game has between 30k to 60k owners so far if you scroll a bit down. Considering the game is only a few days old it's safe to assume that at least half of them are probably still active in one way or another.

And since you can raid player bases (and get raided) while you or the other player is offline, it the total amount of players is more important to look at here than the concurrent player base as the multiplayer part (unless you co-op) isn't done "live".

The game has been out for 3 days. When it shows the peak players, that's EVERYONE. Let me turn this around though. I've shown you where I've gotten my 3k number from and why I think it's accurate. The game hasn't been out for a week yet so weekly player numbers are the current population. If you can give me any source that says otherwise then sure I'd happy accept it.

[El Mythical 23 k.s.c.]

Originally posted by coѕмιc єαtєr:

Originally posted by Emperor Fooble:

but I'm loving the game and enjoying the gameplay loop.

It is a new game, something fresh. It'll get tiring/boring after a while, like most things do.

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