Just please, stop using floor lava block.

[OverZhorman]

I hate them.
And yes it is a skill issue.
How can my every death be due to a stationary object?
1)♥♥♥♥♥♥ grappling hook that unhooks itself. And also the fact that the player gets stuck on every edge.
2) I **** loose all my bolts because the bodies fall into the pits.
If you want to make you base enjoyable, please, don`t use those stupid lava blocks. I beg you.

[goodluckNito]

but what else am i supposed to spend my 10 remaining capacity on?

[nakedsunoo7]

u can deflect the shots with your sword. u don't need to shoot the creeps standing befor a lava block.

[OverZhorman]

Originally posted by nakedSunOo:

u can deflect the shots with your sword. u don't need to shoot the creeps standing befor a lava block.

(10 guys shooting from every direction) Yea, just block dude!

[OverZhorman]

Originally posted by goodluckNito:

but what else am i supposed to spend my 10 remaining capacity on?

I meant, just don`t put it on a floor as a some sort of a pit. Everywhere else is fine, really.
Edit: Making a pit with a lava block on the bottom of it is okay too.

[Ratsplat]

Making demands of builders is the same as making demands that raiders don't use barriers, phoenix, and speedrunning.

[OverZhorman]

Originally posted by Ratsplat:

Making demands of builders is the same as making demands that raiders don't use barriers, phoenix, and speedrunning.

Phoenix is fine - a some sort of checkpoint at least.
But, you are probably right. The sweaty builders will make their dungeon unplayable in the same way as the sweaty raiders will use every cheesy tactic to win. And no one will listen. But there are people that make their creations actually fun. And if they want to make them even more fun, (well, atleast for me), they can listen to my recommendation.

[ChristmasCretin]

Originally posted by Overlord:

Originally posted by Ratsplat:

Making demands of builders is the same as making demands that raiders don't use barriers, phoenix, and speedrunning.

Phoenix is fine - a some sort of checkpoint at least.
But, you are probably right. The sweaty builders will make their dungeon unplayable in the same way as the sweaty raiders will use every cheesy tactic to win. And no one will listen. But there are people that make their creations actually fun. And if they want to make them even more fun, (well, atleast for me), they can listen to my recommendation.

Filling tight corridors with max amounts of armored warmongers or spamming Plasma sentinels in rooms made out of lavablocks isnt fun for either though. I just skip levels that are braindead copy and pasted Outposts because you either spend way more time clearing it than it took to build or you just try your luck and hold W while grappling through. Putting guards infront of hidden lava blocks is annoying af and kinda feels like a cheese, but if they arent hidden it cleverly forces raiders to use meele which can create interesting set pieces in the right bases.

[Aapef]

if it's making your base harder to go through, I think it's doing its job innit?

[Chimz]

I like your manner of speech, lol.

You've got my vote!

[Nyx (She/Her)]

Originally posted by Aapef:

if it's making your base harder to go through, I think it's doing its job innit?

it does get to a point where it's just a builder being a ♥♥♥♥ about ammo, imo (and I'm a builder)
removing player tools to make your traps hard is...idk it comes off kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥. Just build better, make *limited* use of the "lose your ammo" trap-guard combos as well however

a sneaky trick though that a friend and I did is that we had a claw & dual-impaler around a corner with two guards and corrosive cubes; fire into the cubes and lose ammo, or melee and get grabbed by an unseen trap on first-attempt :)

Subsequent attempts always show people only die like, twice at most to it though

[:D]

Originally posted by Overlord:

Originally posted by nakedSunOo:

u can deflect the shots with your sword. u don't need to shoot the creeps standing befor a lava block.

(10 guys shooting from every direction) Yea, just block dude!

xD

[Aapef]

I have yet to start building (building up resources to buy traps and guards first)

But imo you'll have two types of buildings.
The rare "nice builders" who will make things for the art of experimenting, creating and stuff, and the average player who will build things to make them as deadly as possible.

This is what the game encourages you to do in the end, and rewards you for. You won't prevent such building techniques from raising. Imo the best bet would be to prevent certain things from happening.

For example I have seen the issue of exploding guards being thrown in an acid block through the cieling to fall on the player and explode as they just died. Something like this could maybe be simply prevented by making corpses float on acid blocks? Explosers wouldn't fall through on a player (especially used when triggering phase 2) and ammos used on ennemis who then fall in acid would be retrievable.

But imo you can't really blame players for making unfun designs if these work for what they are encouraged to achieve -> a high death rate. If techniques judged unfun happen, best bet is to nerf them.

[Ohm is Futile]

What if I make them solid? I haven't tried but I guess your ammo shouldn't ragdoll in then? Because I honestly like putting at least a couple around to make people think about how they move around.

[Beefcakes]

They should honestly reverse them, make it solid by default and upgrade into liquid so it cost more. The spam would still happen but making them an extra 5-10 would cut down on it.

And for anyone wondering the solid upgrade is so pitiful you can literally jump between 2 cubes forever and never die from the damage.