Why use Substance Painter over Adobe Photoshop.

[Hans Blitz]

After having a look at this program it's basically the same as Photoshop with plugins, yet Substance painter doesn't bridge to the editors i own and Photoshop does which makes working with multiple editors easier. I can't see value in this product over Photoshop even if you own the product after a year just means you stop getting the updates from adobe that are part of substance painter. So you might as well just get Photoshop and have no trouble getting the right plugin or bridge to view and edit content.

I'm hitting the refund button on this because i can't justify it's value over Photoshop as Substance Painter doesn't cater to all formats.

[Pangolin Legends: Arceus]

Well there are plenty of professionals who DO see value in the program. That's why it's industry standard.

[Hans Blitz]

Yet people wait on updates from Adobe master works anyway. You get the full Master CSS for 20 dollars a month. Works out to be cheaper then 1 year of this program and offers every tool Adobe has. Why would professions choose this when they probably have had to subscribe to adobe for one of the programs at some stage. Substance painter seems like a rebrand of Photoshop missing half the features while adding a few of its own.

Not to mention Blender is Free and does practically what substance painter does and models as well, also bridges to most editors.

Substance Painter might be ok to export from but importing compatibility is needed.

I'll finish by saying i'm not paying for your subscription to adobe master works while you give us a small portion of the program reconfigured

[Pangolin Legends: Arceus]

"Your subscription"? I'm not affiliated with Adobe.

You are entitled to your views but most people would disagree with you. This software is not a "rebrand" of photoshop- it's software specifically for painting on 3D models. It's not for creating or editing 2D art.

[Hans Blitz]

If you didn't understand what i mean by subscription you can only use Adode by subscription now where you could out right buy it years ago, monthly or yearly subscriptions, it's expensive for businesses to license where it's cheaper for the individual or student/teacher, i say everyone is always learning so you can claim that your a student and i'm always teaching people a lesson so i quality as a teacher, so you pick the cheapest subscription unless your a business which then you pay through the nose, the master works covers about 20 apps that pretty much cover every aspect of development and learning.

I'll also note adobe master works is an industry standard, i have done some collage and to my knowledge substance painter has never been mentioned as an industry standard or sort after program by professionals. It's not like they offer 3D classes in Substance Painter at the local collage or UNI. It's not like you do this course and add 10k to your pay packet or the love of your boss who won't know what substance painter is because it's not industry standard.

[Pangolin Legends: Arceus]

Originally posted by Cenobite:

If you didn't understand what i mean by subscription you can only use Adode by subscription now where you could out right buy it years ago, monthly or yearly subscriptions, it's expensive for businesses to license where it's cheaper for the individual or student/teacher, i say everyone is always learning so you can claim that your a student and i'm always teaching people a lesson so i quality as a teacher, so you pick the cheapest subscription unless your a business which then you pay through the nose, the master works covers about 20 apps that pretty much cover every aspect of development and learning.

I understood what you meant by "subscription" but you called it "your" subscription when talking to me, as if I were from Adobe. It's you that didn't understand.

[Hans Blitz]

Originally posted by graspee AKA pango:

Originally posted by Cenobite:

If you didn't understand what i mean by subscription you can only use Adode by subscription now where you could out right buy it years ago, monthly or yearly subscriptions, it's expensive for businesses to license where it's cheaper for the individual or student/teacher, i say everyone is always learning so you can claim that your a student and i'm always teaching people a lesson so i quality as a teacher, so you pick the cheapest subscription unless your a business which then you pay through the nose, the master works covers about 20 apps that pretty much cover every aspect of development and learning.

I understood what you meant by "subscription" but you called it "your" subscription when talking to me, as if I were from Adobe. It's you that didn't understand.

No i meant whoever owns this program not you personally.

[Hans Blitz]

The only reason i think this program might be worth it is the fact you don't require a constant subscription to use the features. On sale substance painter would be worth it, as it is i think it's a little too expensive just for something like Paint shop Pro used to be..

[Pangolin Legends: Arceus]

Originally posted by Cenobite:

The only reason i think this program might be worth it is the fact you don't require a constant subscription to use the features. On sale substance painter would be worth it, as it is i think it's a little too expensive just for something like Paint shop Pro used to be..

I'm really not sure if you are serious or not. Paint shop pro is nothing like Substance Painter. Do you not understand? This is not a 2d art and editing program, this is for painting 3D models.

[Hans Blitz]

I said it was like paint shop pro, Substance Painter obviously is far more advanced then 20 year old software. i used it as an example, why do you take everything as science fact when people talk and mention a similar product from years past. It does the same thing as paint shop it paints things does it not? has some advanced scripts and obviously runs on new hardware and operating systems. I'm not debating what is a painter or not. Your nit picking there a bit.

I know what the program is compared to Paint shop

Personally i think DAZ3D Studio offers quite alot for a free program and bridges to most products, i can re texture most things as i please using that program, but for some things a program like substance painter would be useful, other then that Blender can be used instead and i can just add multiple texture layers easy enough in DAZ3D Studio, Substance painter does have a few interesting features but i don't see it worth 209 dollars.

[Pangolin Legends: Arceus]

I'm not going to talk to you any more because I need a certain level of common ground in terms of language usage and we just don't have that here.

[Hans Blitz]

What you don't know English and you've never spoken to a Westerner before right?, you know nothing of common language and how people talk in the real world. Unless it's written to your format you fail to grasp any meaning just like you grasped little of what i have said in previous posts.

I'm not writing a book, just having a chat in a forum. I thought i made myself pretty clear but i must elaborate everything that's said due to some miss interpretation.

[Cackles]

Well I mean.. you can paint textures directly onto the model instead of having to constantly go back and forth between programs and never having to fuss over seams ever again.
That seems like a pretty good reason to use it over photoshop v:

Unless PS has some sort of 3D painting mode built into it too, I've only really used PS in this past year for some class assignments and exporting the layered textures out of Substance.

[Hans Blitz]

I think most models are done in a sculpting program like Z Brush or other 3D model program like 3DMAX when it comes to complex models, DAZ Studio can bake layers of scaled textures with every kind of function that goes with it like scaling the displacement maps for textures adding layers of textures. I thought i needed substance painter turns out DAZ studio covers most of the texturing aspects.
In most cases things are 3D scanned into the computer then composited and textured via the RGB pallet, you can do everything manually but it's just easier working with some of the tools and scripts that automatically set things which may need fine tuning in other areas of the studio.

Say you want to add a Lizard Man to your game, You can't draw but you can 3D scan a figure like a miniature into the program and have it textured.

Substance Painter may have some useful features but many other free to use programs also offer them so i can't see the program worth $209.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

better for 3d paint and complex shaders.

Photoshop does not support shaders at all.

Works out to be cheaper then 1 year of this program

No.

So you might as well just get Photoshop

You can't make orange juice out of apples.

[Hans Blitz]

Originally posted by ммм, тортик v2.0:

better for 3d paint and complex shaders.

Photoshop does not support shaders at all.

Works out to be cheaper then 1 year of this program

No.

So you might as well just get Photoshop

You can't make orange juice out of apples.

Seems more like a bulk license and the current developer sells individual licenses off the company license from adobe, The developer pays the yearly ongoing fee and sells the program with updates, kinda like cracking an exe and selling a year of the program fully updated then not updating the cracked exe for newer versions from photoshop., as i said all the tools are in adobe masterworks for 20 a month on a single student or teacher license. Problem is with them programs you don't get full use when the programs isn't subscribed and i don't like that idea so i avoid using it.
I like the fact Substance Painter is a one off payment and you own it, but can't see it worth the full asking price if i fail to be updated aslong as the program is in service for current operating systems.