about to uninstall and request a refund

[Nighthawk]

HEY DEVS.....why didnt you incorporate EVERYTHING from the first game into this one along with what you did to this one? THAT would have made the perfect game. As a professional remodeler, the first game was extremely fun but, the second one? I am very dissapointed that I even spent money on it.

[Kathykins]

Yes, lets demand basegame + 5 paid DLC (and 2 free ones + lord knows how much from free updates) worth of houses, jobs and stuff for free. Honestly, if people just want the same things as in HF1, they might as well just play that. I'm not going back, I like the complete freedom I have in designing houses, I like that I don't have to deal with obnoxious buyers, and I like that I have can change and copy any style I want. These are things I've wanted for HF1 for YEARS.

Why not make requests and offer constructive feedback, ask them to change/add features that would make the game better for you?

[Unseelie]

Because this is a completely new game built from the ground up? Is there anything you actually have an issue with or are you just mad that a brand new game doesn't have all that same things as one that's had years of updates?

[big fat gerbil]

OP is correct. Why on earth would anyone be okay with them stripping back to barebones and selling all the same DLC over again? Please have some respect for yourselves instead of defending predatory practices.

[Lites]

I understand OP's point of view. To be honest, this feels like how The Sims 4 went. New game, new engine built from the ground up, but has an extremely less content library than the previous game. And now they're gonna sell us more content with DLC packs?

I honestly wouldn't feel so critical towards the game if it was cheaper and actually was in Early Access.

[Kathykins]

Originally posted by deee:

OP is correct. Why on earth would anyone be okay with them stripping back to barebones and selling all the same DLC over again? Please have some respect for yourselves instead of defending predatory practices.

This is how The Sims has worked for 24 years. Its the most successful franchise ever. With every iteration of the game, they release the same DLC's as the previous, with some new tossed in once in a while. And you know why they deliver the same stuff every time? Because people ASK for it. They WANT Seasons, they want Pets, they WANT various occults.

Are people also forgetting all the free stuff we got for HF1 over the years?

[SynthLizard8]

Originally posted by deee:

OP is correct. Why on earth would anyone be okay with them stripping back to barebones and selling all the same DLC over again? Please have some respect for yourselves instead of defending predatory practices.

It's a utterly insane request of: Hey, build this game from scratch including completely new tools, progression, grading, a story mode with voice acting , a new customization system that allows you to choose any texture, colour or material you like and give us a sandbox mode too that allows effortless import/export AND the 1.0 version should stand shoulder to shoulder with HF1's supplemented content plus workshop integration.

Like where is this grand sense of entitlement coming from? it's not like Frozen district has the budget and manpower of EA and they are still going to support HF1 simultaneously.

[Buckshot]

See ya later maybe somewhere Nighthawk. I hope you find a game that makes you happy. This definitely was not your type of game.

[big fat gerbil]

Originally posted by Kathykins:

Originally posted by deee:

OP is correct. Why on earth would anyone be okay with them stripping back to barebones and selling all the same DLC over again? Please have some respect for yourselves instead of defending predatory practices.

This is how The Sims has worked for 24 years. Its the most successful franchise ever. With every iteration of the game, they release the same DLC's as the previous, with some new tossed in once in a while. And you know why they deliver the same stuff every time? Because people ASK for it. They WANT Seasons, they want Pets, they WANT various occults.

Are people also forgetting all the free stuff we got for HF1 over the years?

The Sims is not made by Frozen District. It's an entirely different game made by an entirely different company and publisher. What does that have to do with House Flipper? What would make you think that it applies to this game at all?

Originally posted by SynthLizard8:

Originally posted by deee:

OP is correct. Why on earth would anyone be okay with them stripping back to barebones and selling all the same DLC over again? Please have some respect for yourselves instead of defending predatory practices.

It's a utterly insane request of: Hey, build this game from scratch including completely new tools, progression, grading, a story mode with voice acting , a new customization system that allows you to choose any texture, colour or material you like and give us a sandbox mode too that allows effortless import/export AND the 1.0 version should stand shoulder to shoulder with HF1's supplemented content plus workshop integration.

Like where is this grand sense of entitlement coming from? it's not like Frozen district has the budget and manpower of EA and they are still going to support HF1 simultaneously.

It is not entitlement in any sense to expect that a product you are paying for is both complete and functional. Neither is it insane. On the other hand, it is quite weird to suggest those things about someone who is unhappy with a product they paid good money for.

[Angoril]

Originally posted by deee:

It is not entitlement in any sense to expect that a product you are paying for is both complete and functional. Neither is it insane. On the other hand, it is quite weird to suggest those things about someone who is unhappy with a product they paid good money for.

Don't you think you are a little dramatic there? The game is perfectly functional. Sitting at 59 hours played so far and other than a couple of minor bugs, more annoyances than anything affecting gameplay, I had no issues whatsoever.

The money asked for the game is more than justified. It required a lot more work than the first to be created. It's not really difficult to understand. Unless you're young and never had a job before, it's ridiculous to think that the effort put into a product should not be equally rewarded. You see only curtains missing, I see improved mechanics all around, and much more freedom when it comes to decorating. On top of better performance.

Expecting any sequel to a game to launch featuring all the DLC content of the previous game is something that will never happen. Because if it were to happen, you would be here complaining why the game costs 150€ +. But if you're so adamant in believing in your fantasies, please point me to games that launched including all the DLCs the prequel had.

[Kathykins]

Originally posted by deee:

Originally posted by Kathykins:

This is how The Sims has worked for 24 years. Its the most successful franchise ever. With every iteration of the game, they release the same DLC's as the previous, with some new tossed in once in a while. And you know why they deliver the same stuff every time? Because people ASK for it. They WANT Seasons, they want Pets, they WANT various occults.

Are people also forgetting all the free stuff we got for HF1 over the years?

The Sims is not made by Frozen District. It's an entirely different game made by an entirely different company and publisher. What does that have to do with House Flipper? What would make you think that it applies to this game at all?

I'm not comparing developer/publisher, I'm comparing the consept of releasing a basegame and then paid DLC's. Who develops the games and the game genre are irrelevant.

Can you imagine how much the game would really cost, if they added everything from HF1? And it certainly wouldn't have been released yet.

[Nemesys9999]

I did uninstall and request a refund.
This looks like a beta not a 1.0.
But the devs had to hurry up to publish something because of Hometopia release ...

And HF1 is not supported by the devs anymore !!!
There's a bug with EULA for 2 months or more (which is making it unplayable) and no devs reaction so far to fix it (despite all our posts and tickets).

[SynthLizard8]

Originally posted by Nemesys9999:

I did uninstall and request a refund.
This looks like a beta not a 1.0.
But the devs had to hurry up to publish something because of Hometopia release ...

And HF1 is not supported by the devs anymore !!!
There's a bug with EULA for 2 months or more (which is making it unplayable) and no devs reaction so far to fix it (despite all our posts and tickets).

How does it feel like a beta though? it's a fully featured game with a story mode and sandbox with everything working as intended.

That aside, how about I put it to you this way: on top of building a new game from the ground up, they also have to re-implement the garden DLC which had it's own set of tools and mechanics, same thing with the Farm DLC which also had it's own set of tools and mechanics, not to mention animals/pets AI.

By starting off with releasing HF2 in a clean slate, they can then focus and add what people actually want, keep the workload manageable and get the game out quicker and make better use of resources rather then have to fix and balance 30 spinning plates at once because people now hate how the gardening works and they have to retweak farming tools all at launch, it would be a absolute MESS throwing all those mechanics and content all at once.

Also to the "HF1 is not supported by the devs anymore !!!" claim: https://www.youtube.com/live/rsEDd0CyMhE?si=xA-G_CZte_bUVXTR&t=7207

[maria13356]

I really love HF1 and I am enjoying playing HF2 and the changes. I have also played all of The Sims games and I can understand where people are saying there's a similarity. Later on in The Sims they changed the format for editing the furniture, clothes etc, giving the player more choice of styles, materials, colours, fabrics and whilst I was playing HF2 in the editing section I said to myself "Oh this feels like Sims4" I presume there is only so many permutations developers can use for an editing tool. It's like Hotel Renovator uses the same furniture styles as HF1!

Again with the expansions packs/DLC's/New Chapters/items for any games that are made, the developers must look at the longevity of the game plus the popularity and the feedback from the players. When Sims3 came out it felt like the developers had left stuff out to entice the players to buy the add on's. At the end of the day there's a lot of time, work and effort that goes into making these games and everyone needs to be paid, plus the more money a game makes means the developers and everyone else involved can put the extra money towards development of existing games and new projects, so the fans keep coming back!

[Iceman]

Nobody expects HF2 to contain everything from the original game with its DLC. Some may feel there is a lack of variety in furniture and decorations, but most were expecting this:

- Step ladder.
- Before/after showcase.
- Feedback from potential buyers.
- Cars (as props, not fuctional cars).

These features were in the base game, and it's hard to believe the developers didn't know people were expecting them for this one.

Originally posted by maria13356:

Later on in The Sims they changed the format for editing the furniture, clothes etc, giving the player more choice of styles, materials, colours, fabrics

They changed between iterations. Sims 4 remained with the same (few) options it was launched with.

Originally posted by maria13356:

When Sims3 came out it felt like the developers had left stuff out to entice the players to buy the add on's.

Do you mean The Sims 4? The Sims 3 base game had a significant amount of content.

[Meadow]

People think adding content from HF1 to HF2 is just a matter of simply waiting for files to copy into the new game or what???

I would totally love to see all the great stuff from HF 1 in HF2, but OF COURSE HF2 does not (already) contain all what HF1 had. That could only be done for a much, MUCH higher price and with a much, MUCH later release and by that it would end in much, MUCH more complaining.

Some people really have lost all sense it seems... :(

Yes, some essentials are missing, but in the end HF2's base game offers WAY more than HF1's base game did!