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Noothe Mar 20, 2020 @ 3:57am
Battle Royale Mode - Ragnarok difficulty
So...yeah, I reached the final stage of the mode (I think), my squads are optimised (I think) and yet, the enemies show up with like...500+ stats than me. Not to mention the constant invading Farba and Sinmara who, for some reason, have 1200+ atk and other stats around that while I'm at the exact same level. Am I doing something wrong or is the difficulty just unfair and I gotta gitgud ?
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Hentaika Mar 23, 2020 @ 10:47am 
I assume you are talking about nidhogg difficulty as there is no ragnarok.

But yeah, you gotta gitgud.

To be exact you need to play how game wants you to do it.

You can check my guide which contains in depth guide to creating party https://steamcommunity.com/app/1189440/discussions/0/4052614347231096735/

You would need either super late game or the berserk(aka 2 last parts of the guide)

But if you want TLDR:
You need helmet split 75 or dimensional slash(any number) or both to deal any damage at all.
You need ranged attack or dimensional slash to not die from counterattacks.
You need a tank on slot 2 who has defense only, forward guard, slayer defence and A LOT of hardy physique(50+ is recommended but the higher the better)
You need a bait on slot 1 who has extremely low def/HP(def is most important but low HP helps too) combo compared to the rest of the party so it will take the aggro no matter what and let your tank actually tank.
You need absolute cure(or at least stun cure + curse cure), all null, cross null(or pierce and wide null) to not die to units dealing those types of things.

You want all this combined in all groups essentially.. but there are exclusions.. for those you would need to read up the guide...

PS: be aware that this is for berserk difficulty layer, so if you simply need to beat nidhogg you don't really need to fully make such builds.. but this should point you into the correct direction of what to aim for.
Technically in nidhogg without berserk you can still overpower most enemy teams with type boost stats without using this build.
Terron Mar 28, 2020 @ 5:39pm 
Originally posted by Hentaika:
I assume you are talking about nidhogg difficulty as there is no ragnarok.

But yeah, you gotta gitgud.

To be exact you need to play how game wants you to do it.

You can check my guide which contains in depth guide to creating party https://steamcommunity.com/app/1189440/discussions/0/4052614347231096735/

You would need either super late game or the berserk(aka 2 last parts of the guide)

But if you want TLDR:
You need helmet split 75 or dimensional slash(any number) or both to deal any damage at all.
You need ranged attack or dimensional slash to not die from counterattacks.
You need a tank on slot 2 who has defense only, forward guard, slayer defence and A LOT of hardy physique(50+ is recommended but the higher the better)
You need a bait on slot 1 who has extremely low def/HP(def is most important but low HP helps too) combo compared to the rest of the party so it will take the aggro no matter what and let your tank actually tank.
You need absolute cure(or at least stun cure + curse cure), all null, cross null(or pierce and wide null) to not die to units dealing those types of things.

You want all this combined in all groups essentially.. but there are exclusions.. for those you would need to read up the guide...

PS: be aware that this is for berserk difficulty layer, so if you simply need to beat nidhogg you don't really need to fully make such builds.. but this should point you into the correct direction of what to aim for.
Technically in nidhogg without berserk you can still overpower most enemy teams with type boost stats without using this build.
Does only one member need to have all null or does everone need to have it?
Hentaika Mar 28, 2020 @ 6:11pm 
Only 1...
There aren't that many in game tho, about 10 of them is all you can do.

Don't forget to get the one from evil freya one of the extra skill sets.
Last edited by Hentaika; Mar 28, 2020 @ 6:14pm
Terron Mar 28, 2020 @ 6:33pm 
Originally posted by Hentaika:
Only 1...
There aren't that many in game tho, about 10 of them is all you can do.

Don't forget to get the one from evil freya one of the extra skill sets.
And how am i supposed to get all 4 attackers with 75 helmet split?
Not many have 50 helmet split, let alone 75 and eqipment is not giving that much either.
Are there any medallions that can give dimensional slash and absolute cure or cross/wide null?
Hentaika Mar 28, 2020 @ 6:37pm 
Some top tier(limited) equips give dimensional slash..
Absolute cure - one of the most limited things, gonna have to substitute at least some of the 10 parties with alternatives, again has limited equip for it.
Pierce/wide null are not too hard separately, a bit harder to find cross null for that 1 slot advantage tho. But all of those have no medallions, only equips too.

As for helmet split - that one is easy: extra titles.
You only need 35 default on S rank units as best medallion extra title = +40

For lower tier unit one of the green medallions gives +20 - ironcutting IIRC, hence they can manage with pretty low default as well if you pair that with weapons giving more.
Last edited by Hentaika; Mar 28, 2020 @ 6:42pm
Terron Mar 28, 2020 @ 6:46pm 
Originally posted by Hentaika:
Some top tier(limited) equips give dimensional slash..
Absolute cure - one of the most limited things, gonna have to substitute at least some of the 10 parties with alternatives, again has limited equip for it.
Pierce/wide null are not too hard separately, a bit harder to find cross null for that 1 slot advantage tho. But all of those have no medallions, only equips too.

As for helmet split - that one is easy: extra titles.
You only need 35 default on S rank units as best medallion extra title = +40

For lower tier unit one of the green medallions gives +20 - ironcutting IIRC, hence they can manage with pretty low default as well if you pair that with weapons giving more.
What version of loki and the godesses should i use when doing nidhogg berserk 3?
Hentaika Mar 28, 2020 @ 7:06pm 
Originally posted by Stabby McStaberson:
Originally posted by Hentaika:
Some top tier(limited) equips give dimensional slash..
Absolute cure - one of the most limited things, gonna have to substitute at least some of the 10 parties with alternatives, again has limited equip for it.
Pierce/wide null are not too hard separately, a bit harder to find cross null for that 1 slot advantage tho. But all of those have no medallions, only equips too.

As for helmet split - that one is easy: extra titles.
You only need 35 default on S rank units as best medallion extra title = +40

For lower tier unit one of the green medallions gives +20 - ironcutting IIRC, hence they can manage with pretty low default as well if you pair that with weapons giving more.
What version of loki and the godesses should i use when doing nidhogg berserk 3?

Hved is always better

As for goddess, I used:
Freya - evil with the all null skill set

Rigret - evil with the all null skill set(see the pattern? XD)
Be aware that she won't be tank(does not have enough hardy to survive on berserk 3-4), she is literally only in party to provide all null + cross null on 1 character.

Thor - mad form... pretty great attacker/fielder hybrid.

Tyrca - mad form.. she is debatable overall but I like her troop carrier(it's one of skills I recommend if you read the non TLDR version of the guide) on mad form.
If you want to - you can use her as good form absolute cure skill set, up to you. I don't recommend it as you can do alternatives to absolute cure via medallions and separate anti curse/stun/poison depending on party you use.

Odin - evil/good(doesn't matter too much, I slightly prefer evil but it depends from battle to battle) and +1 attack as extra skill set.
Evil/good biggest difference is evil being all attack and good being cross attack...
Problem with all attack - if it gets nulled by enemy she becomes absolutely non AoE capable.
Less creatures have cross null BUT a lot have pierce/wide separately....
So there are pros/cons to both depending on battle.
Last edited by Hentaika; Mar 28, 2020 @ 7:27pm
Terron Mar 28, 2020 @ 8:24pm 
Originally posted by Hentaika:
Originally posted by Stabby McStaberson:
What version of loki and the godesses should i use when doing nidhogg berserk 3?

Hved is always better

As for goddess, I used:
Freya - evil with the all null skill set

Rigret - evil with the all null skill set(see the pattern? XD)
Be aware that she won't be tank(does not have enough hardy to survive on berserk 3-4), she is literally only in party to provide all null + cross null on 1 character.

Thor - mad form... pretty great attacker/fielder hybrid.

Tyrca - mad form.. she is debatable overall but I like her troop carrier(it's one of skills I recommend if you read the non TLDR version of the guide) on mad form.
If you want to - you can use her as good form absolute cure skill set, up to you. I don't recommend it as you can do alternatives to absolute cure via medallions and separate anti curse/stun/poison depending on party you use.

Odin - evil/good(doesn't matter too much, I slightly prefer evil but it depends from battle to battle) and +1 attack as extra skill set.
Evil/good biggest difference is evil being all attack and good being cross attack...
Problem with all attack - if it gets nulled by enemy she becomes absolutely non AoE capable.
Less creatures have cross null BUT a lot have pierce/wide separately....
So there are pros/cons to both depending on battle.
There is a 4th berserk level? It only shows 3.

The start is very rought as i get attacked by 5-9 groups at once every round. How am i supposed to fend them off?
Last edited by Terron; Mar 28, 2020 @ 8:26pm
Hentaika Mar 29, 2020 @ 3:10am 
Berserk 3 is max reward(1 is young surt unit, 2 is upgraded loki title and 3 is upgraded hved title)

But there are 4 berserk difficulties, yeah.
Can only select 4 when on nidhogg(not sure if you need to beat some other berserk difficulty run but nidhogg is must)
For example hard berserk run max is only 2 IIRC.

Also seems like you started the BR - for BR I overall recommend coming with already 'prepared' parties which has top tier gear to supplement your party building(at least a few core 8-9 pieces, does not need to be all of them, as most are kinda meh anyway)

As for how - berserk 3 is pretty much a pushover, you probably don't even need tier 8-9 gear, just decently made 10 parties...
Berserk 4 is a bit harder but eh... not much.
Essentially when attacks are focused on 1 city - you skip defending and conquer a city yourself.

The attacks slow down as time goes by and as you conquer more and more enemies 'fully' as in BR everyone is against you.
Last edited by Hentaika; Mar 29, 2020 @ 3:14am
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