many newer negative reviews

[ererbe]

can someone give me the idea of what they are talking about? They seem to be all in chinese. The translator is way to weird for this instance. Something about mods but i dont unterstand it and would like to.

[Samseng Yik]

Mostly unrelated to game.
Is like people down vote Jacky Chan movie because he used to be irresponsible womanizer when he young

[WyHNbEY7lW]

It's probably related to the latest announcement: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1188930/eventcomments/4632608920205130193/

[Samseng Yik]

While developer team is not without wrong.
Modder shall not be entitled just because "they think they contribute a lot to community"

[Ghost in the MapleNepvision]

I am too somewhat curious about the reasons so I went and took a look at their baidu forum, and so far I can only find some people talking about their favorite mods got removed.
No screenshots, no chat logs, can't find the reasons why the two modders got banned for 24 hours and what exactly the developer said. It seems got something do to with the latest update which caused many mods cease to function and one of the developer had a fight with these two modders whom are very well-regarded in the Chinese modding community.

And looks like most of the communications about the whole drama is inside their local gaming community called xiaoheihe (Little Black Box) or HeyBox which is something I am not able to access sadly, would like to get the whole picture tho.

Most people are giving the game negative reviews because their mods are gone and don't want to play the game anymore I guess.
Unless you use mods, it's not something worth worrying about tbh.

[Samseng Yik]

This is always the problem where modder start thinking they are more entitled than product developer.

Even worse all these emotionally reviewer never take things professionally

[愚鸟嘟嘟]

The mod I used the most were made by him, but now it disappeared. I regret to buy the dlc2 now!

[It's about sending a message]

Originally posted by 愚鸟嘟嘟:

The mod I used the most were made by him, but now it disappeared. I regret to buy the dlc2 now!

That's the risk you run when you use the Steam workshop, and it's why you should always make backups of your mods.
I cannot stress how important it is to always back up your mods, especially if they're from the workshop. I once played a, to be fair rather bland and basic, custom map of Mario Sunshine on BO3. A few days later it was privated. I am still subbed to it and can see it was updated since then, but I still can't play it as it's privated.
If a mod gets nuked by moderation or deleted by the user, it'll be gone not only from the mod page, but also your PC next time you run the game while connected to the internet.
Anything you value make backups of.

Originally posted by Samseng Yik:

This is always the problem where modder start thinking they are more entitled than product developer.

Even worse all these emotionally reviewer never take things professionally

Two sides of the same coin. Mods get removed for all sorts of reasons and this once again shows that modding shouldn't be handled by the devs nor should it require their permission. The worst thing is when modding is entirely centralized (like with DRG). Modding is a community effort and the devs should have no say in the matter, what's allowed and what isn't, as modding itself will often conflict with what the devs wanted the game to be or with what the devs find appropriate.
The devs in the end provided an easy way to mod the game, so they have the say in what stays on the workshop and what gets removed. While that's nice and makes it easy for a modding scene to develop (which also helps boost sales, just FYI), it's overall worse for the players and their creations.
I refunded DRG after I saw that modding is centralized and you're at the mercy of both the developer and the mod creator (as both have the ability to simply remove a mod and stop you from using it).
That's my stance on it. And I am still fully aware that it's the devs' game and they can do whatever they want with it. It's their decision in the end.

[Ghost in the MapleNepvision]

Originally posted by It's about sending a message:

Originally posted by 愚鸟嘟嘟:

The mod I used the most were made by him, but now it disappeared. I regret to buy the dlc2 now!

That's the risk you run when you use the Steam workshop, and it's why you should always make backups of your mods.
I cannot stress how important it is to always back up your mods, especially if they're from the workshop. I once played a, to be fair rather bland and basic, custom map of Mario Sunshine on BO3. A few days later it was privated. I am still subbed to it and can see it was updated since then, but I still can't play it as it's privated.
If a mod gets nuked by moderation or deleted by the user, it'll be gone not only from the mod page, but also your PC next time you run the game while connected to the internet.
Anything you value make backups of.

Originally posted by Samseng Yik:

This is always the problem where modder start thinking they are more entitled than product developer.

Even worse all these emotionally reviewer never take things professionally

Two sides of the same coin. Mods get removed for all sorts of reasons and this once again shows that modding shouldn't be handled by the devs nor should it require their permission. The worst thing is when modding is entirely centralized (like with DRG). Modding is a community effort and the devs should have no say in the matter, what's allowed and what isn't, as modding itself will often conflict with what the devs wanted the game to be or with what the devs find appropriate.
The devs in the end provided an easy way to mod the game, so they have the say in what stays on the workshop and what gets removed. While that's nice and makes it easy for a modding scene to develop (which also helps boost sales, just FYI), it's overall worse for the players and their creations.
I refunded DRG after I saw that modding is centralized and you're at the mercy of both the developer and the mod creator (as both have the ability to simply remove a mod and stop you from using it).
That's my stance on it. And I am still fully aware that it's the devs' game and they can do whatever they want with it. It's their decision in the end.

It should be clarify that in this case it's the modders who removed their own mods.

[It's about sending a message]

Originally posted by Ghost in the MapleNepvision:

It should be clarify that in this case it's the modders who removed their own mods.

Good to know, but it doesn't change my stance or what I've said. Backups should always be made "just in case" and in the end the devs have full control over the workshop. They and Steam support can remove any mod they deem not fit. It's important to keep that in mind when dealing with mods, which also stays true for sites like Nexus.
And my stance is the exact same for when the author, for whatever reason, removes their mod. Make backups or you'll likely regret it.

[ererbe]

Originally posted by Ghost in the MapleNepvision:

I am too somewhat curious about the reasons so I went and took a look at their baidu forum, and so far I can only find some people talking about their favorite mods got removed.
No screenshots, no chat logs, can't find the reasons why the two modders got banned for 24 hours and what exactly the developer said. It seems got something do to with the latest update which caused many mods cease to function and one of the developer had a fight with these two modders whom are very well-regarded in the Chinese modding community.

And looks like most of the communications about the whole drama is inside their local gaming community called xiaoheihe (Little Black Box) or HeyBox which is something I am not able to access sadly, would like to get the whole picture tho.

Most people are giving the game negative reviews because their mods are gone and don't want to play the game anymore I guess.
Unless you use mods, it's not something worth worrying about tbh.

thank you very much for that information. so its basically something like: update broke mods, modder said something (we dont know details) and one dev gave 24h ban (probably too fast) and then the modder took down the mods to make people furious at the dev. (there is no other reason, if you want to stop modding you simply can stop updating instead of taking down the mod).

well thats a shame i wish they could talk about this like adults but i also see the problem when you get banned. (its hard to discuss without beeing able to communicate.)
I personally think removing the mods is the wrong move but hey in the end its their mods.

[thateclipse]

Without knowing everything that happened, I don't think it's wise to cast judgment on anyone. What we know is that mods were pulled by the modder and the company that makes the game has issued an official apology.

[Valmond]

Isn't this against ToS though? Since it doesn't have anything to do with the game itself? Mods are just optional content, and not part of the game itself.

Devs have been fully supportive of modders. I should know, been in the server myself. Taking action for the health of the community is important as well.

And from what I can tell, it looks like modders are trying to add them back in. This really doesn't look to have anything specifically to do with the devs themselves, and more about enforcement of rules.

This whole negative review bombings comes across as very toxic and immature, especially since it does not have anything to do with the game itself.

Some heat for sure, but this is kinda ridiculous.

Modders can remove their own mods, that's their choice. Also, when a game updates, expect mods to potentially break. Unfortunately, they cannot be perfectly maintained. So if a mod breaks, you can report it on the server last I remember.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Valmond:

This whole negative review bombings comes across as very toxic and immature, especially since it does not have anything to do with the game itself.

They come from a very different culture from us, who knew common courtesy would be so alien

[Valmond]

Originally posted by V:

Originally posted by Valmond:

This whole negative review bombings comes across as very toxic and immature, especially since it does not have anything to do with the game itself.

They come from a very different culture from us, who knew common courtesy would be so alien

Been seeing that a lot this year. I guess this is why the saying is, "we can't have nice things."

Chrono Ark is one of the best games to come out in 2024(Personally).

Anyway, if a mod broke. Report it, if you want one made, ask for it. Though, mods are just separate from the game, and doesn't have anything to do with it itself.

If peeps were respectful, none of this would be a problem.

Negatively reviewing the game on false grounds like this, just does it harm. It turns away potential players, and as a result potential new modders.

So, they are just making it worse on themselves. Honestly, this is some of the worst entitlement I have seen.

[Samseng Yik]

China customers love to have such mindset
1) we are numerous, mean we bring bigger profit
2) because of (1) now other people need respect us more than original responsibility
3) hey we do mod mean we help keep your game alive, developer you should thank us.

Entirely forgot the root of how a nice product come developed.

Not all china Chinese are like that, but bigger population mean bigger chance of bad apple