Originally posted by Necessary:

We are already working on the update without Appsflyer

I knew that, but I am trying to add some perspective at our "outrage". There is enough media around mobile gaming backlash, you would think this would have been a more serious thing to you guys instead of just dropping it like this and hoping for the best.

As I said, if you want "better ads", you don't need to be a mobile game, you need to get players into your game. CRPGs are niche and people don't just jump into them. Hence my idea how. You are not a mobile game, you are not a hype game of the moment. To me that is part of what makes your game so good. So their ad tactics are not what you need, you need people to get invested into your game and story, the only way is to be part of it.

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by Necessary:

We are already working on the update without Appsflyer

I knew that, but I am trying to add some perspective at our "outrage". There is enough media around mobile gaming backlash, you would think this would have been a more serious thing to you guys instead of just dropping it like this and hoping for the best.

As I said, if you want "better ads", you don't need to be a mobile game, you need to get players into your game. CRPGs are niche and people don't just jump into them. Hence my idea how. You are not a mobile game, you are not a hype game of the moment. To me that is part of what makes your game so good. So their ad tactics are not what you need, you need people to get invested into your game and story, the only way is to be part of it.

To add to that... this is singleplayer game without any multiplayer features. If you want spike in sales, just contracts streamers and content creators for promoting. Nowadays people dont even see ads due to adblockers...

Also for mobile games, people use android simulators on PC in order to avoid all sort of spyware and ingame ads because its isolate any personal data due to emulator being virtual machine.

Great to see devs actually listening to the community.

While I appreciate it's being removed, ya'll really, REALLY need to think your decisions through better. You've gotten your game review bombed because of your disregard for your players' privacy, and many of these reviews are absolutely not going to be updated.

"All the mobile games have it!" is a HORRIFIC thing to say in response to concerns.

Please ask your players' opinions on a change like THIS in the future. You did it with DLC, why didn't you do it with something concerning third party software being installed on our PCs?

Originally posted by mihai899:

Originally posted by NTLRoukai:

Been a hot sec since I played, they add in the secret ending for Swarm yet?

You can't do it and you never will.

Considering I STILL can't access my mythic path's special forms/model changes when making a new character in Inevitable Excess, thus heavily hampering my roleplaying experience, and they've never once responded to anyone about the issue either on the Discord OR the discussions, I think it's safe to say that's not coming, because that's a more intensive change than fixing your model never updating to match your mythic path (in paid DLC, no less...)

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by Necessary:

We are already working on the update without Appsflyer

I knew that, but I am trying to add some perspective at our "outrage". There is enough media around mobile gaming backlash, you would think this would have been a more serious thing to you guys instead of just dropping it like this and hoping for the best.

As I said, if you want "better ads", you don't need to be a mobile game, you need to get players into your game. CRPGs are niche and people don't just jump into them. Hence my idea how. You are not a mobile game, you are not a hype game of the moment. To me that is part of what makes your game so good. So their ad tactics are not what you need, you need people to get invested into your game and story, the only way is to be part of it.

Yea, the fact that they said 'commonly used in mobile games' was a majorly boneheaded move. This is not a F2P mobile game, and the industry practices typical in mobile games does not fly on paid PC games.

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by Necessary:

We are already working on the update without Appsflyer

I knew that, but I am trying to add some perspective at our "outrage". There is enough media around mobile gaming backlash, you would think this would have been a more serious thing to you guys instead of just dropping it like this and hoping for the best.

As I said, if you want "better ads", you don't need to be a mobile game, you need to get players into your game. CRPGs are niche and people don't just jump into them. Hence my idea how. You are not a mobile game, you are not a hype game of the moment. To me that is part of what makes your game so good. So their ad tactics are not what you need, you need people to get invested into your game and story, the only way is to be part of it.

Oh, ofc. But as a publisher we spend a lot of money on the marketing, and we simply wanted to find a tool which would allow us to understand how well the ads were performing.

Originally posted by Necessary:

Originally posted by Jackisdead:

You do understand that most of us have an autoupdate enabled and that you've made us download a third-party tracking software without providing and updated EULA, right?
Could you link an updated document here so we can see the changes first?

We updated EULA and here we are writing exactly why we did it

There is no industry standard to let you track what we do in game or out of game. Shadow of War had the option to opt out of a third party if you chose to. You need to have that option as well. Otherwise im not playing your game anymore or I will have to edit the files to play it on an older version.

Originally posted by Necessary:

Originally posted by canuck250:

I knew that, but I am trying to add some perspective at our "outrage". There is enough media around mobile gaming backlash, you would think this would have been a more serious thing to you guys instead of just dropping it like this and hoping for the best.

As I said, if you want "better ads", you don't need to be a mobile game, you need to get players into your game. CRPGs are niche and people don't just jump into them. Hence my idea how. You are not a mobile game, you are not a hype game of the moment. To me that is part of what makes your game so good. So their ad tactics are not what you need, you need people to get invested into your game and story, the only way is to be part of it.

Oh, ofc. But as a publisher we spend a lot of money on the marketing, and we simply wanted to find a tool which would allow us to understand how well the ads were performing.

Like many studios. If you want publicity, i'm creating let's play for Kingmaker and WOTR and i already bought the games and the contents. I'm trying to explain the 3.5 rules. I just need more public. I'm a french speaker player.

I'll never buy one of your games again.

Originally posted by Perfus:

After this update using Judgements with my Inquisitor causes immediate crush of the game.

Already aware of the issue, working on a fix. Thank you.

Originally posted by Necessary:

Originally posted by Dirk:

can we at least opt out of the tracking ♥♥♥♥?

It's an industry standard for the games, all of the mobile games use it and a lot of PC and PS/XBOX too.
And as a publisher we want to make our ads as good as possible, because we love our games and want the best for them :)

Industry standard is somewhat meaningless as an argument. Mobile games are notorious for both data gathering as a business model (fair enough, if you have a choice prior to installation) and being somewhat lax with regards to data safety. One could claim that those are "industry standard" as well.

To be perfectly honest, if this tracker had been part of the game at purchase, I would not have purchased it at all. It's really bad manners not to include an opt-out.

Besides, for players on Steam you should have such metrics already. We are not on mobile devices, remember?

Ну наконец-то. Браво. Наконец Ланна можно роман не стартить в игре когда не надо. И без модов.

Thanks for that !

Originally posted by Necessary:

UPD

We discussed the current situation and decided that we will remove Appsflyer. Of course our community is much more important to us than a marketing campaign. We apologize for any inconvenience and ask you to wait for the hotfix (probably it will be there tomorrow) with the old EULA and without Appsflyer.

Well reading through all of this was wild to say the least.