Musketeer rapier and dirk build advice needed please.

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Hello all.
I am currently downloading the game and would love to play as a Musketeer type character using a rapier and dirk as my main armament.
I am not very familiar with Pathfinder classes and need some advice on possible builds.
Cheers

[canuck250]

You have a ton of options if that is your starting place, as two weapon fighting is very viable and a few ways to go about it. In the early levels, dual wielding is actually best to have your prefered weapon in the main hand and then a dagger in the offhand. Off hand attacks suffer a big penalty early on (before your feats mitigate this) but a light weapon in the offhand does not suffer as large of one.

But a few base concepts you can start with are:
Two weapon fighting tank or brawler
Sneak attacker (each hit does more damage while sneak attacking)
Pet rider
Spellcaster (can also be a sneak attacker)

I can offer more ideas depending on what you want to do, also the difficulty you want to play at helps.

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Originally posted by canuck250:

You have a ton of options if that is your starting place, as two weapon fighting is very viable and a few ways to go about it. In the early levels, dual wielding is actually best to have your prefered weapon in the main hand and then a dagger in the offhand. Off hand attacks suffer a big penalty early on (before your feats mitigate this) but a light weapon in the offhand does not suffer as large of one.

But a few base concepts you can start with are:
Two weapon fighting tank or brawler
Sneak attacker (each hit does more damage while sneak attacking)
Pet rider
Spellcaster (can also be a sneak attacker)

I can offer more ideas depending on what you want to do, also the difficulty you want to play at helps.

Much appreciated sir.
What base class is best? I dont like the idea of heavy armour but not sure if it should medium or light. I would like to be fast, precise and possibly have multiple attacks.
I would like to follow the story and explore, is there a normal difficulty setting?

[canuck250]

Originally posted by Professor Von-Wulfen :

What base class is best?

So do you want to be more of a brawler then? As I said, you have a lot of options, there is no flat 'best' but there should be a best for you.

Here are a few examples to start with
frontline twf - Mutation Warrior or Instinctual Fighter
sneak attacker - knife master
Pet Rider - Cavalier of the Paw
Spellcaster - Shadow shaman merged with angel will give you huge spell power and sneak attack

But these are just some options for the suggested concepts as other classes can do each thing or multiple roles.


Also the mythic paths will give you different options on top of that. Do you have an idea of what path you want to do?

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by Professor Von-Wulfen :

What base class is best?

So do you want to be more of a brawler then? As I said, you have a lot of options, there is no flat 'best' but there should be a best for you.

Here are a few examples to start with
frontline twf - Mutation Warrior or Instinctual Fighter
sneak attacker - knife master
Pet Rider - Cavalier of the Paw
Spellcaster - Shadow shaman merged with angel will give you huge spell power and sneak attack

But these are just some options for the suggested concepts as other classes can do each thing or multiple roles.


Also the mythic paths will give you different options on top of that. Do you have an idea of what path you want to do?

I am not sure what brawler is, in terms of gameplay? No idea about the mythic classes etc sorry. Not a tank but more of a dps fighter with utility skills I guess. I have this idea in my head of a Musketeer, fast dual wield rapier and dirk with great fencing skills but can also use dirty tricks such as tripping, gouging etc.

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by Professor Von-Wulfen :

What base class is best?

So do you want to be more of a brawler then? As I said, you have a lot of options, there is no flat 'best' but there should be a best for you.

Here are a few examples to start with
frontline twf - Mutation Warrior or Instinctual Fighter
sneak attacker - knife master
Pet Rider - Cavalier of the Paw
Spellcaster - Shadow shaman merged with angel will give you huge spell power and sneak attack

But these are just some options for the suggested concepts as other classes can do each thing or multiple roles.


Also the mythic paths will give you different options on top of that. Do you have an idea of what path you want to do?

Game has downloaded now. Just looking through the character creator and Inquisitor Aldori swordsman seems good, it gives access to dueling swords, are these like rapiers?

[canuck250]

Originally posted by Professor Von-Wulfen :

Game has downloaded now. Just looking through the character creator and Inquisitor Aldori swordsman seems good, it gives access to dueling swords, are these like rapiers?

I would say so! The dueling sword is unique in many ways so imo would be cool to play around.

Fighter subclass aldori defender and the prestige class of duelist might be worth looking into

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Originally posted by canuck250:

Originally posted by Professor Von-Wulfen :

Game has downloaded now. Just looking through the character creator and Inquisitor Aldori swordsman seems good, it gives access to dueling swords, are these like rapiers?

I would say so! The dueling sword is unique in many ways so imo would be cool to play around.

Fighter subclass aldori defender and the prestige class of duelist might be worth looking into

Many thanks. What is a prestige class? I like the sound of duelist, it would fit well with a Musketeer type character. Is it possible for an Inquisitor? Inquisitor also has the look of a musketeer don’t you think?

[canuck250]

Originally posted by Professor Von-Wulfen :

Many thanks. What is a prestige class? I like the sound of duelist, it would fit well with a Musketeer type character. Is it possible for an Inquisitor? Inquisitor also has the look of a musketeer don’t you think?

A prestige class is something you can't start with due to having requirements before you can start it. I forgot tho, it needs an empty offhand which yours will not be so will not be good for you.

I think there are many classes that fit the Musketeer role! There were a few of them which had different flairs so gives you room to RP with.

[GunStarX]

I would say rouge is the best choice thematically and it's also a really strong class, especially when using finesse weapons. The biggest issue would be from using two different weapons, as you only get dex to damage for one weapon at level 3, and you don't get a second one until level 11. Realistically this isn't a huge deal since you will more often than not get sneak attack damage also.

Edit: To add, focus on rapier in the main hand as that would be your primary attack, and then build up feats for dagger latter. You will get a ton of off hand dagger attacks from act 3 on.

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

I would say rouge is the best choice thematically and it's also a really strong class, especially when using finesse weapons. The biggest issue would be from using two different weapons, as you only get dex to damage for one weapon at level 3, and you don't get a second one until level 11. Realistically this isn't a huge deal since you will more often than not get sneak attack damage also.

Edit: To add, focus on rapier in the main hand as that would be your primary attack, and then build up feats for dagger latter. You will get a ton of off hand dagger attacks from act 3 on.

Many thanks. How does one add focus to rapier?
Also, I like the Inquisitor outfit as it fits well with the look of a Musketeer, can rogue acquire this outfit?

[GunStarX]

I meant focusing feats/abilities into rapier first, and then later dagger. Really it would just be

Weapon Focus (feat)
Finesse Training (ability)

That you would get by level 3.

As for the outfit, I don't think you can use class outfits unless they're the highest level class you have

[canuck250]

I wouldn't bother with dagger feats other then improved critical. You have a lot of other more important feats like two weapon fighting, rapier, dex/str combat boosters, teamwork feats and dazzling display stuffs. Maybe consider dual wielding rapiers later on but RP with a dagger in the offhand is fine.

If inquisitor is what jumps out to you the most, I say start with that. It is a tricky game and took me a few restarts and class changes to settle into what I really like. Inquis is more complicated then a lot of other classes but would be good to mess around with and if you don't like it, maybe certain aspects of it you did and thus a class that does that but better.

Here are a couple YT builds from crpgbro, not for you to copy but to see what feats he takes and why. Dex is often the main twf stat so you will get the most from that, the str one is there for variety and options.

Dex based knifemaster twf (it also has a 2hand rowdy build but ignore that)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXiFHZNHbw&list=PL8adH-ifQHcCKJLmiEgBPW2cnYtseib10&index=43

Str based mutation warrior twf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAFiZTPH3x4&list=PL8adH-ifQHcCKJLmiEgBPW2cnYtseib10&index=59

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Originally posted by GunStarX:

I meant focusing feats/abilities into rapier first, and then later dagger. Really it would just be

Weapon Focus (feat)
Finesse Training (ability)

That you would get by level 3.

As for the outfit, I don't think you can use class outfits unless they're the highest level class you have

Many thanks.

[Professor Von-Wulfen ]

Originally posted by canuck250:

I wouldn't bother with dagger feats other then improved critical. You have a lot of other more important feats like two weapon fighting, rapier, dex/str combat boosters, teamwork feats and dazzling display stuffs. Maybe consider dual wielding rapiers later on but RP with a dagger in the offhand is fine.

If inquisitor is what jumps out to you the most, I say start with that. It is a tricky game and took me a few restarts and class changes to settle into what I really like.

Here are a couple YT builds from crpgbro, not for you to copy but to see what feats he takes and why. Dex is the main twf stat so you will get the most from that, the str one is there for variety and options.

Dex based knifemaster twf (it also has a 2hand rowdy build but ignore that)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXiFHZNHbw&list=PL8adH-ifQHcCKJLmiEgBPW2cnYtseib10&index=43

Str based mutation warrior twf:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAFiZTPH3x4&list=PL8adH-ifQHcCKJLmiEgBPW2cnYtseib10&index=59

Much appreciated :)