I am thinking of a Bite build - any helpful input welcome

[Pepe]

While I was kinda sad my Instinctual Warrior's AC is bugged, I went to look for something else and started toying with ToyBox.

I mean the tools are there to get a bunch of natural attacks for early game:
Bite: Motherless
Bite: Witch(Stigmatized-Wolf Scarred)
Monk(SF): +1 Flurry
Vivi(2+): Feral Mutagen for another Bite
Maybe add DD 1-4 from levels 6 to 9. Bite at DD2
That is a lot of Bites and natural attacks already at level 7, theoretically. Also useful thing is Wolf Scarred gets Magic Fang too, and one could boost natural attacks with that Mythic feat that makes Natural Attacks ignore resistances.
Also it does ramp nude AC quite high from just the Nat armor bonuses, like Iceplant, Lizard, Mutagen, DD, so in theory the survivability is there too. (Yes, they all stack. I checked - All the bite attacks and all the Nat Armor bonuses, as of current game version)

But would this end up being another Vivisectionist gimmick with DD, I'm wondering.
I am not sure where I would go with this build from there though. Like would it have more Witch levels at all? To reach level 3 casts for Greater Magic Fang, maybe? Just dunno if this falls flat before mid-game :)

Anyway would love to hear any thoughts.

[Lord Honorius]

not sure but you wont have more then one bite. with all those bite you will only get the best one.

[[TGC] MadGod]

Multiple bites will only be possible if you can put multiple mouths on your head...but since you have only one, you are stuck at one, i fear.

You missed the Kitsune bite which is primary as well.

Going for a Kitsune Elemental Rampager gives you 2 claws+1 bite at full BAB at level 1. You can get gore with a mythic path, but I forget if it is primary. As a druid you get magic fang right from the bat. Later, you get vulpine pounce for charge+all attacks at full BAB. Then you turn into an Elemental..you get another slam attack (later 2), but I am not sure if they stack with the claws.

Multiple bites...maybe someone enlightens me, but I cannot find a way.

[Lord Honorius]

juste respec my charater to a kitsune, stymatised wich with the wolf scarred face, bloodrager primal, with bite rage, dd 4 . demon mythic path. i had 2 claw, 4 bite and one gore in one round on a lv 9 ( lvl 1 witch/ 4 bloodrager/ 4 dd ) pretty crazy add vivi for a 5th bite.
i think i would go legendary mythic path and take elemental rampager for boosting those natural attack mabe.

[[TGC] MadGod]

Hm. But the 4 bites were 1 primary, 3 secondary? That will hurt your to hit quite a bit. I usually try to stick to primary attacks so 3/4 BAB classes can still hold their own mid/late game.

[Lord Honorius]

THATS THE THING. they are all primary exept the gore from demon path at -5

[[TGC] MadGod]

Thats really odd. I would have wagered that the kitsune bite is the primary. And since natural attacks are supposed to be treated like weapons without being weapons, I am scratching my head here.

But to be honest, maybe I am mistaken and it is all fine for once. I rarely run full natural attack builds. Now with druid, you turn into a huge elemental and check if you get 2 slams, 2 claws, 4 bites and a gore all on primary attack. That would be hilarious. :)

[Lord Honorius]

it may be a bug, cause the rage power bite is suppose to be at -5 and its not. I was sure we would have only the best bite of all . And im not in natural attack normaly to .

[Pepe]

Lord Honorius původně napsal:

THATS THE THING. they are all primary exept the gore from demon path at -5

Yeah, this is the reason I wanted to try to build this in the first place. I noticed if I wasn't going to equip a weapon at first, I could just punch and bite things, with all of the attacks being full BAB. The theory part I was talking above there is that only tried the build in the first cave, with bag of tricks, to give myself the levels and play-tested against a few spiders.

But hey, maybe this could be a thing one day - a ninja werewolf kind of thing :)

[Pepe]

Oh dear, it is hilarious how strong this is, for real. Running in shield maze now at level 3. Went 1 Witch -> 2 SF -> 3 Vivi. It is a 4-attack full BAB, sneak attack fest. Literally just hit some dude 4 times in a row for 15dmg+ each hit within 6 seconds and turned it to goo. Fantastic. Y'all gotta try this :)

The AC numbers in combat are off the hook. 34AC, Nude, already in Shield Maze with 4x Full BAB attacks. This is just going to get stronger:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602027484

[noobie123]

Pepe původně napsal:

Oh dear, it is hilarious how strong this is, for real. Running in shield maze now at level 3. Went 1 Witch -> 2 SF -> 3 Vivi. It is a 4-attack full BAB, sneak attack fest. Literally just hit some dude 4 times in a row for 15dmg+ each hit within 6 seconds and turned it to goo. Fantastic. Y'all gotta try this :)

The AC numbers in combat are off the hook. 34AC, Nude, already in Shield Maze with 4x Full BAB attacks. This is just going to get stronger:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602027484

nice been looking for a natural weapon build for a play thru. you got a plan for the entire build to 20?

[Pepe]

Sadly I have not finished the game so my guide would not provide too much insight. I have to figure this out on the way there.
I am using Neoseeker guides to figure my route. There are no natural attack builds, per se, but there is one that I noticed and feel is closest to what I am trying to achieve here. For myself, I wanted the early game to be easier, so I opted for most attacks and most AC as fast as possible with sneak attacks. And as such, this one feels probably stronger already now that I look at it - very streamlined power build, but with a Scythe (plus bites):
https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/builds/Main_Character#Baked_Trickster

But currently my thoughts for reaching more bite attacks asap is going:
scaled fist-witch(stigma-wolf)-vivi3-dragon disciple4-more vivisectionist levels, witch level probably at 15, and then vivi rest of the way. For mythic stuff, I need to figure it out when I get there. There are so many strong mythic choices, but the ones boosting natural attacks are my primary choice, and one removing the negative stat from Motherless, while also looking at Archmage armor with some temptation.
Early game prio for me was, dodge -> crane style -> accomplished sneak attacker.
It kinda wants an int boosting item to not lose spell levels, so need to pop shield before going mutagen for the tougher fights before that happens.

*edit*
Found some old videos with digging from Bolshy Plays that quite literally do this same thing, so if you looking for a real guide check that out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9akaQGmw-no&t=4s&ab_channel=BolshyPlays

[Raigavin]

Pepe původně napsal:

Oh dear, it is hilarious how strong this is, for real. Running in shield maze now at level 3. Went 1 Witch -> 2 SF -> 3 Vivi. It is a 4-attack full BAB, sneak attack fest. Literally just hit some dude 4 times in a row for 15dmg+ each hit within 6 seconds and turned it to goo. Fantastic. Y'all gotta try this :)

The AC numbers in combat are off the hook. 34AC, Nude, already in Shield Maze with 4x Full BAB attacks. This is just going to get stronger:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2602027484

If you went SF, you took Charisma instead of Wisdom.
Why?

Aren't you wasting stat points due to -ve for Charisma with Motherless?
You can just level up in Traditional instead of SF for more Will Saves (your Will saves is destroyed).

Also when you drink Mutagen, doesn't your hands become claws and override flurry?
Edit: If you take Feral Mutagen, you get another bite attack (at the cost of hands turning into Claws), so that's 3 bites and 2 claw attacks.