How do long lived species make sense for the story?

[Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega]

I was just thinking about how old an elven adventurer usually is. With humans and other "short lived" beings I can easily see areelu observe us since we were baby's.
But as a gnome, dwarf, elf, or one of the other long lived species, you'd basically be older than areelu, yet still not past your childhood.

Honestly thinking Human or half-orcs are the most canon choice in WOTR to play as.
Unless elf "toddlers" of 20 years old are basically physically adult. But then again we have Ember who is clearly stated that she is a small girl. Altho her avatar towers over others.
So I really can't see how an Elven KC would become a thing. Not as long as the KC has to be areelu's experiment she has follwed since their birth.

[jonnin]

you are either very young or new to adventuring and uninteresting. I mean you could be older than the first crusade as an elf, and only just now picked up a sword or spellbook for the first time, perhaps you like gardening or wood working? But it makes zero sense that you would be a well trained and hardened adventurer at level 1 on day 1 of the game startup at middle age for any race, really. Unless you want to role play that falling in the crack forced the life upon you, and you liked it and kept going ... that isn't really the story as presented, though!

So most likely you are like ember, just barely mature as an elf and while you are old in human years, you don't predate the first crusade.

[Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega]

Originally posted by jonnin:

you are either very young or new to adventuring and uninteresting. I mean you could be older than the first crusade as an elf, and only just now picked up a sword or spellbook for the first time, perhaps you like gardening or wood working? But it makes zero sense that you would be a well trained and hardened adventurer at level 1 on day 1 of the game startup at middle age for any race, really. Unless you want to role play that falling in the crack forced the life upon you, and you liked it and kept going ... that isn't really the story as presented, though!

So most likely you are like ember, just barely mature as an elf and while you are old in human years, you don't predate the first crusade.

I was pointing more to the fact that the story happens because Areelu, planted a piece of her sons soul into your soul, but it was killing you, so they jammed a crystal up your chest to power you up and keep you fighting longer, giving the soul of her son time to grow.

But she also says to the player that she ahs followed them since the cradle, that they were always of interest to her.

This can't work if the Elf is already older than areelu and all the crusades. Areelu wouldn't have had the chance. I'd say by necessity it has to be a shorter lived race for that reaason.

Sure she could be lying and just pulled a random elf of a shelf and just prepped him before kicking him to the curb in kenabres. But with her personality as presented that seems very unlikely.

[jonnin]

Right. I get that, and while its possible to make an old looking elf and say he is x00 years old, that isn't really following the story. If you are an elf, you are an adult, barely, around 100 years old. The worldwound was 4606. Wotr is 4713, if the web is right. That is 107 years old. Web says an elf is adult at 100. It fits, barely, if you assume your elf is then a very young adult. Similar for the other races; elf is the longest lived of them so the others can squeeze in too.

You are absolutely correct that you can't fit in saying your guy is 357 years old. If your character really were that old at level 1, that is also weird, as I noted above.

interestingly, the reverse question comes to mind ... when did her kid die? Could a short lived race person be old enough to have been a good target for the implant? Presumably she would have done the implant 'soon' after he died, not 80 years later, so a 20 year old human may make no more sense than a 400 year old elf.

[Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega]

Originally posted by jonnin:

Right. I get that, and while its possible to make an old looking elf and say he is x00 years old, that isn't really following the story. If you are an elf, you are an adult, barely, around 100 years old. The worldwound was 4606. Wotr is 4713, if the web is right. That is 107 years old. Web says an elf is adult at 100. It fits, barely, if you assume your elf is then a very young adult. Similar for the other races; elf is the longest lived of them so the others can squeeze in too.

You are absolutely correct that you can't fit in saying your guy is 357 years old. If your character really were that old at level 1, that is also weird, as I noted above.

interestingly, the reverse question comes to mind ... when did her kid die? Could a short lived race person be old enough to have been a good target for the implant? Presumably she would have done the implant 'soon' after he died, not 80 years later, so a 20 year old human may make no more sense than a 400 year old elf.

Her kid died before the world wound opened. Some hunters killed her son, and her response was to connect herself to the abyss after figuring out one of the Storyteller's pages and getting a hint on how to connect the planes. She then connects her own soul with the abyss and opens the world wound. Then a good while later. She connected the remnants of her son\'s soul to MC's soiuld, making the worldwound that already existed larger.

And if she was speaking the truth about following mc ever since they were born. Then being an Elf that might even be just 150 and already be older than Areeulu.

It isn't about the lvl. It isn't about their experience as characters. Because it honestly makes no sense for me that "adults" in those worlds can even be level 1. Thing I am wondering is how does an elf even fit the whole "you're actually my kid" bit from areelu. It doesn't fit the story at all.
Only really works with characters that aren't as long lived.

Haven't paid too much attention with the other races in the story, might make a human in a bit and read again. But apparantly the wordwound expanded a second time before the second crusade on my gnome.

If they actually made the worldwound expand on a later date for humans then I gues they actuallly did somewhat keep in mind how old our characters actually are compared to Areelu and her timeline.

But yeah running a young elf, seeing how well ember functions I can't imagine other elven kids to be more mature, I just can't make them KC.
Same with a gnome. I'm playing one at the moment. But I can't imagine a gnome even getting a place like that. Especially a mythic gnome. I just can't see the crusaders accept it.

But the whole "i've woven my son's soul with yours after making sure you are the most fit vessel by making sure to observe you growing up, before kidnapping you, operating you and dropping you into kenabres." I honestly think that Areelu, might have just passed on all adult people, focusing soly on blank slate souls in baby's.

Everytime I make an elf KC I feel like I am butchering the narrative of the story by picking an elf.

[jonnin]

Originally posted by Dyrstbyrt Wargjaega:

Originally posted by jonnin:

Right. I get that, and while its possible to make an old looking elf and say he is x00 years old, that isn't really following the story. If you are an elf, you are an adult, barely, around 100 years old. The worldwound was 4606. Wotr is 4713, if the web is right. That is 107 years old. Web says an elf is adult at 100. It fits, barely, if you assume your elf is then a very young adult. Similar for the other races; elf is the longest lived of them so the others can squeeze in too.

You are absolutely correct that you can't fit in saying your guy is 357 years old. If your character really were that old at level 1, that is also weird, as I noted above.

interestingly, the reverse question comes to mind ... when did her kid die? Could a short lived race person be old enough to have been a good target for the implant? Presumably she would have done the implant 'soon' after he died, not 80 years later, so a 20 year old human may make no more sense than a 400 year old elf.

Her kid died before the world wound opened. Some hunters killed her son, and her response was to connect herself to the abyss after figuring out one of the Storyteller's pages and getting a hint on how to connect the planes. She then connects her own soul with the abyss and opens the world wound. Then a good while later. She connected the remnants of her son\'s soul to MC's soiuld, making the worldwound that already existed larger.

And if she was speaking the truth about following mc ever since they were born. Then being an Elf that might even be just 150 and already be older than Areeulu.

It isn't about the lvl. It isn't about their experience as characters. Because it honestly makes no sense for me that "adults" in those worlds can even be level 1. Thing I am wondering is how does an elf even fit the whole "you're actually my kid" bit from areelu. It doesn't fit the story at all.
Only really works with characters that aren't as long lived.

Haven't paid too much attention with the other races in the story, might make a human in a bit and read again. But apparantly the wordwound expanded a second time before the second crusade on my gnome.

If they actually made the worldwound expand on a later date for humans then I gues they actuallly did somewhat keep in mind how old our characters actually are compared to Areelu and her timeline.

But yeah running a young elf, seeing how well ember functions I can't imagine other elven kids to be more mature, I just can't make them KC.
Same with a gnome. I'm playing one at the moment. But I can't imagine a gnome even getting a place like that. Especially a mythic gnome. I just can't see the crusaders accept it.

But the whole "i've woven my son's soul with yours after making sure you are the most fit vessel by making sure to observe you growing up, before kidnapping you, operating you and dropping you into kenabres." I honestly think that Areelu, might have just passed on all adult people, focusing soly on blank slate souls in baby's.

Everytime I make an elf KC I feel like I am butchering the narrative of the story by picking an elf.

ember is soft in the head. I don't think she is a fair example of a typical young adult elf; she is emotionally, and possibly mentally, stunted from her rough life. Her age is right but her head isn't, in other words. A 100ish year old elf raised in a normal (for the horrible world this game is set in) home with at least 1 functioning parent would be like a 20 year old human... not exactly there yet, but adult enough to set out on their own.

Would the crusaders accept any nonhuman? Not easily ... hard to say. Irabeth's story gives some hints, she was not well accepted and had to work very hard to get anywhere. Her time in another city where half orcs were more common helped as she was tolerated better there. Dunno. The crusaders and anyone else with lawful in their alignment (seelah is the only notable exception) are also soft in the head, so I would expect you are correct about intolerance. On the other hand, the crusaders would probably bow and scrape to a tiefling, gnome, kobold, or particularly intelligent gelatinous cube if it delivered drezen to them, doubly so if that follows (as it does) kicking all the demons to the curb in K-city.