Radiance aka Holy avenger seems…. Weak?

[Killer29687]

Cool, spell res to nearby Allie’s, doesn’t seem to work on my pets and since I only have 2 human melee units (myself seelas) seems somewhat wasteful vs the other weapons I could be using at that moment

Ex1:

Good example is entomber: hits enemy charge attack enemy must fort save throw dc 33 or be entrapped in stone until the end of the fight

while under this effect the enemy becomes vuln to bludgeoning damage and AS WELL AS SLOWED DOWN. If this warhammer confirms a crit attack on the affected enemy ALL ENEMIES 30 ft area should pass the same check or be under the same effect

Ex 2:

Rupturing storm

This 4+ scimitar deals additional 3d6 fire damage. On crit it deals fire sparks that sticks to Allie’s weapons, granting them flaming enchantment for 1d3 round, as well as granting the wielded and Allie’s fire res 20 for the same duration.

[Raven]

it is, but its not. You have to look at it from the overall story point of view. Stat/ability is just so-so. But now, if you consider you're in a demon-driven campaign and you put that in the hands of a paladin where you are making it axiomatic/good/outsider bane/evil bane/or whatever else buffs you want to give it so it does absurd extra damage to virtually every enemy in the game? It's great (still not the best you can do, but it fits both thematically and just obliterates things)

although if you want a real powerhouse weapon that's perfectly in theme in lieu of Radiance, you could go for Remnant, which is the weapon of Iomede's predecessor and honestly just wrecks everything

[Raven]

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Radiance exists as a gap filler - certain weapon types are not always available at higher weapon "levels" and this can fill that gap for any type, until a solid upgrade comes along. It's not really meant to be a "weapon of choice" . Stuck in a gap between looking for a decent scimitar between a generic +2 and +4 ? Radiance +3 can cover you for a time.

Radiance goes all the way to +6 though?

edit: fully upgraded in the hands of a paladin, you're looking at +6 holy inate longsword that with your additional buffs can make it 1d8+6d6+6+your modifier (per hit) against anything evil, with I think more damage depending on if you buff with other properties and/or want to give your paladin ascendant fire (the dispel and +5 spell resistance is just icing)

[Killer29687]

Gonna respec and make seelah into a duel wielder… those two weapons I mentioned above really can compliment some drawbacks, radiance will probably be on my second slot with unavoidable pick just to burn through demons

( unavoidable drill

Whenever the wielder of this 3+ keen light pick attacks any enemy with dr the Dr is decreased by 1 until the end of combat)

I heavily assume the dr reduction stacks considering its 17.5k sell price >.> better be

[Raven]

Originally posted by Killer29687:

Gonna respec and make seelah into a duel wielder… those two weapons I mentioned above really can compliment some drawbacks, radiance will probably be on my second slot with unavoidable pick just to burn through demons

( unavoidable drill

Whenever the wielder of this 3+ keen light pick attacks any enemy with dr the Dr is decreased by 1 until the end of combat)

I heavily assume the dr reduction stacks considering its 17.5k sell price >.> better be

Just to warn you, I literally just did that/played that, and it kinda sucks because paladin buffs mostly only affect the main-hand weapon and its not really worth giving up so many feats to make her dual-wield two non-light weapons. Honestly, Radiance with the cleave feats invested were a much bigger pay off.

[Killer29687]

Investment wise for feats isn’t that massive… 3 or so for duel wield, 2 for scim, 2 for hammer, dipping a point in loremaster gives em a secret aka a feat which I can use to get both scim feats, as for the hammer it’s main use is the charge proc it can give

As for cleave/sunder… honestly I just can’t, too much micro >.> not even trying to whine but my god, because of the way the ai fights I have to baby my 3 mages thus my meleers are basically off the leash. Likewise some feats mean on a kill my guy will cleave a guy next to them… tie that in with a reach weapon and manually cleave/sunder seems meh esp with how fast battles go



Now to horrify you my seelah is currently

11 paladin 2 mutagen warrior 1 beast rider 1 hell knight 1 primalist 1 battle scion

(I keep forgetting to use smite/etc so just temp to respec her all over again but so much work)

Mutagen warriors is obv
Beast rider = challenge/leopard/ share outflank with everyone
Demon slayer cuz… more damage
Hell knight for chaos smite
Primalist for blood rage / celest bloodline
Battle scion for rage on my pets/summons

[Killer29687]

Ps. Toggle skills is such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie, I hate having to turn it back on so often that it’s another reason why I refuse to micro as much >.>

Elemental bloodline, nenio change shape, source of dividing power, lethal stance, arcane strike

[anfindel13]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Radiance exists as a gap filler - certain weapon types are not always available at higher weapon "levels" and this can fill that gap for any type, until a solid upgrade comes along. It's not really meant to be a "weapon of choice" . Stuck in a gap between looking for a decent scimitar between a generic +2 and +4 ? Radiance +3 can cover you for a time.

Radiance goes all the way to +6 though?

edit: fully upgraded in the hands of a paladin, you're looking at +6 holy inate longsword that with your additional buffs can make it 1d8+6d6+6+your modifier (per hit) against anything evil, with I think more damage depending on if you buff with other properties and/or want to give your paladin ascendant fire (the dispel and +5 spell resistance is just icing)

Yup - brain was a bit muddled with pain meds (had just spent a lovely 18 hours in the ER from a gall bladder attack) - realized I was confusing Radiance and Finnian, which is why I removed my response 30 seconds after I hit save.

Was planning on Seelah having a Paladin Party with Radiance this go, but somehow Seelah has been waylaid by axes thus far, and simply refuses to change her mind.

[Killer29687]

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Originally posted by Raven:

Radiance goes all the way to +6 though?

edit: fully upgraded in the hands of a paladin, you're looking at +6 holy inate longsword that with your additional buffs can make it 1d8+6d6+6+your modifier (per hit) against anything evil, with I think more damage depending on if you buff with other properties and/or want to give your paladin ascendant fire (the dispel and +5 spell resistance is just icing)

Yup - brain was a bit muddled with pain meds (had just spent a lovely 18 hours in the ER from a gall bladder attack) - realized I was confusing Radiance and Finnian, which is why I removed my response 30 seconds after I hit save.

Was planning on Seelah having a Paladin Party with Radiance this go, but somehow Seelah has been waylaid by axes thus far, and simply refuses to change her mind.

Grave stinger?

[Killer29687]

Originally posted by Killer29687:

Investment wise for feats isn’t that massive… 3 or so for duel wield, 2 for scim, 2 for hammer, dipping a point in loremaster gives em a secret aka a feat which I can use to get both scim feats, as for the hammer it’s main use is the charge proc it can give

As for cleave/sunder… honestly I just can’t, too much micro >.> not even trying to whine but my god, because of the way the ai fights I have to baby my 3 mages thus my meleers are basically off the leash. Likewise some feats mean on a kill my guy will cleave a guy next to them… tie that in with a reach weapon and manually cleave/sunder seems meh esp with how fast battles go



Now to horrify you my seelah is currently

11 paladin 2 mutagen warrior 1 beast rider 1 hell knight 1 primalist 1 battle scion

(I keep forgetting to use smite/etc so just temp to respec her all over again but so much work)

Mutagen warriors is obv
Beast rider = challenge/leopard/ share outflank with everyone
Demon slayer cuz… more damage
Hell knight for chaos smite
Primalist for blood rage / celest bloodline
Battle scion for rage on my pets/summons

Wonder if there’s a class that can give me a bonus feat by dipping one level in it that can help instead of choosing loremaster…. Hmm

[CRAGNAR]

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Originally posted by Raven:

Radiance goes all the way to +6 though?

edit: fully upgraded in the hands of a paladin, you're looking at +6 holy inate longsword that with your additional buffs can make it 1d8+6d6+6+your modifier (per hit) against anything evil, with I think more damage depending on if you buff with other properties and/or want to give your paladin ascendant fire (the dispel and +5 spell resistance is just icing)

Yup - brain was a bit muddled with pain meds (had just spent a lovely 18 hours in the ER from a gall bladder attack) - realized I was confusing Radiance and Finnian, which is why I removed my response 30 seconds after I hit save.

Was planning on Seelah having a Paladin Party with Radiance this go, but somehow Seelah has been waylaid by axes thus far, and simply refuses to change her mind.

is mutagen even worth it? Wizard/spellcaster bears endurance mass, bulls strength mass, etc instead

[CRAGNAR]

Originally posted by CRAGNAR:

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Yup - brain was a bit muddled with pain meds (had just spent a lovely 18 hours in the ER from a gall bladder attack) - realized I was confusing Radiance and Finnian, which is why I removed my response 30 seconds after I hit save.

Was planning on Seelah having a Paladin Party with Radiance this go, but somehow Seelah has been waylaid by axes thus far, and simply refuses to change her mind.

is mutagen even worth it? Wizard/spellcaster bears endurance mass, bulls strength mass, etc instead

I found the whole mutagen class to not be as cool as it could be.

[kodama]

Originally posted by Killer29687:

Originally posted by Killer29687:

Investment wise for feats isn’t that massive… 3 or so for duel wield, 2 for scim, 2 for hammer, dipping a point in loremaster gives em a secret aka a feat which I can use to get both scim feats, as for the hammer it’s main use is the charge proc it can give

As for cleave/sunder… honestly I just can’t, too much micro >.> not even trying to whine but my god, because of the way the ai fights I have to baby my 3 mages thus my meleers are basically off the leash. Likewise some feats mean on a kill my guy will cleave a guy next to them… tie that in with a reach weapon and manually cleave/sunder seems meh esp with how fast battles go



Now to horrify you my seelah is currently

11 paladin 2 mutagen warrior 1 beast rider 1 hell knight 1 primalist 1 battle scion

(I keep forgetting to use smite/etc so just temp to respec her all over again but so much work)

Mutagen warriors is obv
Beast rider = challenge/leopard/ share outflank with everyone
Demon slayer cuz… more damage
Hell knight for chaos smite
Primalist for blood rage / celest bloodline
Battle scion for rage on my pets/summons

Wonder if there’s a class that can give me a bonus feat by dipping one level in it that can help instead of choosing loremaster…. Hmm

Oracle with Battle Mystery and Weapon Mastery Revelation would give you free Weapon Focus at lvl 1 + Uncanny Dodge from Powerless Prophecy (Freedom of Movement cancels Staggered) or extra bite attack from Wolf-scarred. Trade off is 1 BAB and 1 level pet progression, assuming you want to keep your current setup.

I like to keep Seelah as pure Paladin with Faith Bearer (Lore Religion scimitar from act 4 - party-wide heals on crit, holy like Radiance) and The Undying Love of the Hopebringer heavy shield from Colphyr Mines (those auras are just too sweet to pass up), Guardian Shield from Treasure DLC prior to that. On Core she crits a lot, so Sosiel, Ember and Daeran are free to spend their actions on much better stuff than healing.

[kodama]

Originally posted by CRAGNAR:

Originally posted by CRAGNAR:

is mutagen even worth it? Wizard/spellcaster bears endurance mass, bulls strength mass, etc instead

I found the whole mutagen class to not be as cool as it could be.

Both Vivi And Mutation Warrior are great classes for:

- Trickster run
- Trickster - > Legend run
- Melee Trickster -> Gold Dragon run

Vivi dip is slightly better than Rogue dip for Arcane Trickster prestige class.

Other than that mutagen dip helps a bit on Unfair I guess. On Core & below - I don't think it's worth it.

[Chan]

Originally posted by CRAGNAR:

Originally posted by anfindel13:

Yup - brain was a bit muddled with pain meds (had just spent a lovely 18 hours in the ER from a gall bladder attack) - realized I was confusing Radiance and Finnian, which is why I removed my response 30 seconds after I hit save.

Was planning on Seelah having a Paladin Party with Radiance this go, but somehow Seelah has been waylaid by axes thus far, and simply refuses to change her mind.

is mutagen even worth it? Wizard/spellcaster bears endurance mass, bulls strength mass, etc instead

Yes, mutagen is worth it. Alchemical buffs are unique whereas bulls strength, cats grace, etc don't stack with item bonuses and mutagen's buff does. You can get up to like 50+ strength or dex with mutagen and a brown fur transmuter. I did a mutagen 20 unfair run and had an ab of 100+ and was doing 170 per hit with 11 attacks lol.

[Killer29687]

Originally posted by kodama:

Originally posted by Killer29687:

Wonder if there’s a class that can give me a bonus feat by dipping one level in it that can help instead of choosing loremaster…. Hmm

Oracle with Battle Mystery and Weapon Mastery Revelation would give you free Weapon Focus at lvl 1 + Uncanny Dodge from Powerless Prophecy (Freedom of Movement cancels Staggered) or extra bite attack from Wolf-scarred. Trade off is 1 BAB and 1 level pet progression, assuming you want to keep your current setup.

I like to keep Seelah as pure Paladin with Faith Bearer (Lore Religion scimitar from act 4 - party-wide heals on crit, holy like Radiance) and The Undying Love of the Hopebringer heavy shield from Colphyr Mines (those auras are just too sweet to pass up), Guardian Shield from Treasure DLC prior to that. On Core she crits a lot, so Sosiel, Ember and Daeran are free to spend their actions on much better stuff than healing.

Yeah was thinking oracle just because wolf bite + my mask that gives me a second bite

Don’t recall the hopebringer shield but the faith bearer I just can’t… with how buff’d up my party is, I only die when it’s some bs like deathly wail (the one that insta kills your basically) if I’m healing during the battle then something went wrong/the damage already being dealt is too much to heal

Guardian… axe?+shield didn’t impress me either, shields wise in this game feels pretty lacking at least compared to km

Current party is

mc (bloodrager with glaive but now currently holding a faucard…. Every 5th hit gives me a free attack) …. I am considering going back to glaive due to exotic weapons not having any feats? No focus or etc at least for that kind of weapon

Seelah (you already know her build… it’s a mess but I guess that’s my fault considering I keep forgetting to use smite/etc >.> may turn her into a duel world class)

Daeran (pure oracle with a dip of cross blood, all damage does ice…. Add in the various triggers for increase damage and he does work)

Ember (pure witch except the dip for cross, burn baby burn… >.> respec mc into arcane trickster after ivory to get a op robe then went back to original class for mc)

Nenio brown fur transmutation (even tho she’s missing 3 lvs in that spell class section I don’t mind her unable to class lv 9 spells) she’s my pure character for buffs basically, daeran/ember buffs as well but all her spell casts are into buffing