Classes and Lich.

[El Pollo Diablo]

Is it correct that all classes can become a Lich?

So in theorie i could make a Ranger into a lich?

[TOLYAN JIGAN]

Yes.

[Schlumpsha]

Any class can become any mythic path. Sure, you might fall from grace as an Paladin and be unable to continue leveling up due to incompatible alignments. But that's all. As Rangers can be of any alignment they aren't affected.

[El Pollo Diablo]

Thx for the quick responses. 🙂

[Raikon]

Lich is pretty good for all classes. Obviously some mythic paths have better synergies, like inquisitor and aoen, but you won't be disappointed with lich. It's very fun.

[Gracey Face]

Counter intuitively the Lich's best buffs are for melee, so you'd be more powerful as a melee lich ranger than as a wizard lich, despite that seeming absurd.

[fox5s]

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

Counter intuitively the Lich's best buffs are for melee, so you'd be more powerful as a melee lich ranger than as a wizard lich, despite that seeming absurd.

Debatable. Mostly cause casters are SUPER op late. Insert Linear Fighters and Quadradic Mages reference here.

That said, Lich does have some REALLY shiny melee things. Like making your weapons do dice of extra damage AND life leech with a third level spell.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by fox5s:

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

Counter intuitively the Lich's best buffs are for melee, so you'd be more powerful as a melee lich ranger than as a wizard lich, despite that seeming absurd.

Debatable. Mostly cause casters are SUPER op late. Insert Linear Fighters and Quadradic Mages reference here.

Yes, SUPER OP that I can cast negative energy eruption which does a whole 300-400 damage per cast.

Except that basic 2hander fighter over there is doing 500 damage a hit and hitting 5 times a turn. And it's mindless to get this number higher with high crit range weapons and AoO spam (as an easy example).

"Linear fighters quadratic mages" has never been true. It's one of those silly idioms people who don't know what they're talking about type to try to sound intelligent. And it is even less true in a game like this where the one area that casters are actually decently powerful (roleplaying and non combat scenario resolution) doesn't exist because you're locked into a pre-scripted story meanwhile combat, the area where casters are weak, is the main element of a game like this and also is always done to a level that would never occur in an actual tabletop campaign.

[Raikon]

Well liches can absorb the power of dead enemies, giving you +8 attack bonus. Assuming there are 8 dead bodies close together.

[fox5s]

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

Yes, SUPER OP that I can cast negative energy eruption which does a whole 300-400 damage per cast.

Except that basic 2hander fighter over there is doing 500 damage a hit and hitting 5 times a turn. And it's mindless to get this number higher with high crit range weapons and AoO spam (as an easy example).

That's 300-400 damage to the entire room AND if you have set your buffs up on your party like an intelligent person, also heals your entire party for the same amount. But yes, two-handed fighter, please kill one thing at a time. Maybe even Cleaving finish into one or two others.

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

"Linear fighters quadratic mages" has never been true. It's one of those silly idioms people who don't know what they're talking about type to try to sound intelligent. And it is even less true in a game like this where the one area that casters are actually decently powerful (roleplaying and non combat scenario resolution) doesn't exist because you're locked into a pre-scripted story meanwhile combat, the area where casters are weak, is the main element of a game like this and also is always done to a level that would never occur in an actual tabletop campaign.

WTF... It's always been true. Even in 2nd edition. Though the exp charts of the time made wizard level slower so it wasn't as apparent. But if your wizard actually made it to high levels, there was no contest. Now, I'll grant you that most PnP games don't go quite high enough for the casters to fully dominate. But, about the time they get fourth level spells, good luck Fighters. The gap is there and you aren't catching up. And, I'd argue that it's MORE true in this game. Sure Fighter, do your damage. Caster will just Weird the entire room and watch you cry.

[Raikon]

its just crazy to me that there is another person dunking on liches, right after MJ and myself had such a legnthy discussion on it. I mean immediately after.

[Raikon]

i feel sorry for zacharius. Evidently the community holds him in poor regards.

[Raikon]

Originally posted by fox5s:

That's 300-400 damage to the entire room AND if you have set your buffs up on your party like an intelligent person, also heals your entire party for the same amount. But yes, two-handed fighter, please kill one thing at a time. Maybe even Cleaving finish into one or two others.

Ironically the most cleaving finishes I've ever had was about 5. It was also as a Sorcerer Lich.

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[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by Raikon:

i feel sorry for zacharius. Evidently the community holds him in poor regards.

There's a reason he purposely trapped himself away from all living beings with no internet for all those years...

[Sneep Snorp]

Yeah you can pretty much do any ascension as any class assuming theres not some morality requirement on your class so yeah if you want to be sylvanas windrunner you absolutely can

[BlueBangkok]

Any mythic can work for any class, some work better for specific classes but owlcat made sure there is at least "something" in each mythic path no matter which class you have. So don't worry about it and experiment.

As for the remark about super op mages... not really and mages being exponentially better than pure fighters has only been true like 20+ years ago in BG2. It was a quirk of ADnD's wacky balance, not really a general rule.
And here, you don't even have spells like Wish or Time Stop that could completely win you a fight with just one use.