Does Magic deceiver and "best jokes" mythic work together when combining spells?

[CHAO$$$]

Something like...
Hideous laughter + Vampiric touch
Zippy magic + Best Jokes

Mostly its just about wether or not the game recognizes Hideous laughter for the best jokes mythic even if hideous laughter is in a merged spell. But if someone already sees obvious problems with the following feel free to point it out.

Assumptions:
Cant save against the damage from vamp touch (?!)
Spell is doubled and bounces at least once hitting 4 targets total or 2 targets twice if there are only 2 targets available (consecutive saves are still awful im assuming with best jokes?! so not expecting to bounce after that)
a very conservative assumption of 100 temporary hp gained per cast assuming 4 targets are available (?!)

[pete3great]

Originally posted by CHAO$$$:

Something like...
Hideous laughter + Vampiric touch
Zippy magic + Best Jokes

Here's what I'll say, zippy magic and hideous laughter do work together but I've seen people complain it takes a toll on their CPU.

[Sporic]

This is interesting... anyone tested it?!!

[*TRF* Viceseer]

Not tested it but it if you combine two spells you have a pick of which spelll's save you want to use. My guess that it allows you only to pick Laughter's Will save.

[Janitor]

It doesn't work.

Fused spells do not function as a new spell with the combined effects of both spells.
Fused spells function as if you cast both spells separately in a single action.

In other words, think of the fused spell as casting Spell A followed by Spell B. But instead of two standard actions, it takes one standard action.

Therefore, in the case of Hideous Laughter + Vampiric Touch with Best Jokes, the following would happen:
- The target would be affected by Hideous Laughter. If the target fails its save, the Hideous Laughter would be spread to another target because of Best Jokes.
- The target would be affected by Vampiric Touch. The Vampiric Touch would not spread to another target because Best Jokes only works on Hideous Laughter, not Vampiric Touch.

Also, keep in mind that temporary hit points don't stack. So, even if it worked as you described, you wouldn't end up with lots and lots of temp hp.

[CHAO$$$]

Originally posted by Janitor:

It doesn't work.

Fused spells do not function as a new spell with the combined effects of both spells.
Fused spells function as if you cast both spells separately in a single action.

In other words, think of the fused spell as casting Spell A followed by Spell B. But instead of two standard actions, it takes one standard action.

Therefore, in the case of Hideous Laughter + Vampiric Touch with Best Jokes, the following would happen:
- The target would be affected by Hideous Laughter. If the target fails its save, the Hideous Laughter would be spread to another target because of Best Jokes.
- The target would be affected by Vampiric Touch. The Vampiric Touch would not spread to another target because Best Jokes only works on Hideous Laughter, not Vampiric Touch.

Also, keep in mind that temporary hit points don't stack. So, even if it worked as you described, you wouldn't end up with lots and lots of temp hp.

thanks for clarifying
rip