All hail the 1 level Sable Ranger dip.

[Mauman]

I was really expecting having to do some heavy investing here to be able to multiclass out to paladin.

BUT NOPE!! One level is all you need. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

This is going to be great.

[drchaos]

2 sable and 18 gendarme is ridiculously... all the goodness of charges with tons of feats and now you can have a griffon

[dszombiex]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3267280107

[CassiusVictus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dszombiex:

Hippogriff is one of the weaker mounts stats wise. HP, AC, Saving Throws, Attack Bonus, Damage.

Boar seems to be the strongest.

Stats aren't the only thing that's important about the mount. For example, the Hippogriff gains the pounce ability at level 7 which is big for opening damage in fights. Wolves as well get the ability to automatically trip an enemy when hit, which is huge for CC and damage (if you can exploit attacks of opportunity).

[Riftweaver]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CHAO$$$:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dszombiex:

The pet is one of the weakest stat-wise of the animal companions. Even the pet is an L.

ouch, im still downloading so i havent looked at it yet - youd think a freaking griffin would have good stats

its not a griffin, its a hippogriff. griffins are lion+eagle. hippogriffs are horse+eagle

[dszombiex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CassiusVictus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dszombiex:

Hippogriff is one of the weaker mounts stats wise. HP, AC, Saving Throws, Attack Bonus, Damage.

Boar seems to be the strongest.

... Wolves as well get the ability to automatically trip an enemy when hit, which is huge for CC and damage (if you can exploit attacks of opportunity).

Raw stats is a large part of what the animal companions bring to the table. By the way, Boar also has auto trip. It also has high stats among the animal companions. The Hippogriff being the most fragile in all ways doesn't make it very compelling.

[CHAO$$$]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Riftweaver:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CHAO$$$:

ouch, im still downloading so i havent looked at it yet - youd think a freaking griffin would have good stats

its not a griffin, its a hippogriff. griffins are lion+eagle. hippogriffs are horse+eagle

idk man looks like a goat to me

grìphôné

[dszombiex]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dszombiex:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3267280107

rofl, so I just noticed it was only level 18 in this screenshot. I started a new Inevitable Excess game and releveled a new Hippogriff, and this time it leveled up to 19. So it's freaking bugged. If you're taking this archetype make sure to take Boon Companion to get it to 20 I guess... Uhg.

EDIT: So seems like even with Boon Companion it still only levels to 19 according to later posts?

[Mauman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von dszombiex:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von CassiusVictus:

... Wolves as well get the ability to automatically trip an enemy when hit, which is huge for CC and damage (if you can exploit attacks of opportunity).

Raw stats is a large part of what the animal companions bring to the table. By the way, Boar also has auto trip. It also has high stats among the animal companions. The Hippogriff being the most fragile in all ways doesn't make it very compelling.

I think you and others are discounting the fact that the hippogriff get's a free AoE trip.

edit - of course, this assumes that the bugs for said ability are fixed. Damn it Owlcat :P

context - just did some testing, the AoE function of the trip is not working, or if it is it's downright wonky as I've been divebombing into groups and only the primary target gets hit by a trip check.

At least pounce for the rider functions correctly if you have a skald or are going Kitsune.

BUT ANYWAYS, if Heavy landing get's fixed and the charge damage bonuses get added correctly, stats be damned this will be the best mount for a charger build

2nd edit - The stupidly high bonus that is provided by Heavy Landing and even with no feat investment and just some strength boosting the CMB bonus is nearly 60 at level 16. Also, despite certain bonuses not applying to the CMB (such as inspire rage), certain maluses aren't applying either (such as power attack and fighting defensively). I assume the reason for that is that, unlike the other trippers, the trip comes before any attacks rather than after.

3rd edit - yeah, I just did some testing between the dog, elk, Bismuth, and the griffon. If the trip is important to you, even in it's buggy state the Griffon is BY FAR the best tripper right now. It's inherent bonuses are insane.

final edit - ok, the aoe is working, it's just MUCH smaller than I thought it would be.

[Deo]

1 sable 6 sohei 11 paladin 1 hellknight 1 titan fighter (double fauchard) Seelah

[Ironvale]

Hippogriff can charge from anywhere in the battlefield, that alone makes it worth it, not to mention the charge will make everything flat footed which means you will almost always hit, please charge with the flying attack found on the hippogriff, not the character mounting the hippogriff

[CHAO$$$]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ironvale:

Hippogriff can charge from anywhere in the battlefield, that alone makes it worth it, not to mention the charge will make everything flat footed which means you will almost always hit, please charge with the flying attack found on the hippogriff, not the character mounting the hippogriff

The flat footed is really strong early on but by level 10 or so its at best 1 saved feat - shatter defense + dirge/(merged)frightful appearance. Being required to charge at all also has a fair number of downsides which im sure are fairly obvious so theres a good chance youll want to pick up shatter defense anyway.

Until Drezen youll get a ton of value out of it for sure tho.

[Ironvale]

Not sure if hippogriff get full progression, from the looks of it doesn't seem like it gets full progression?

[Mauman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ironvale:

Not sure if hippogriff get full progression, from the looks of it doesn't seem like it gets full progression?

It's supposed to. Someone said it doesn't (but only by like one level), but the text says progression as a druid.

I took boon companion on mine because I had a dips outside of ranger/paladin so I can't tell. I'll check later.

edit - yeah, checked. For some oddball reason it caps at 19.

[mbradtke]

arent u only supposed to get progression on the pet when u take dips in classes that can also get this pet? does anyone else get the new griffin as pet beside the ranger archetype?
or am i wrong about this and every pet class will work?

[john_boy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mauman:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von john_boy:

^ I thought that might happen (downloaded and trying a fresh ranger run ATM). Charge bonuses always seemed to work when selecting the PC's charge option - never the mount. Which doesn't make sense, it should factor in any bonus regardless of which option you pick (if mounted)

The class should just give the ranger in question the flying attack ability (only usable on mount). That would probably fix the issue.

Just testing a bit more here and I can't get charge to work normally with the hippoG. Spirited charge - which should double damage on hit, isn't. That's using charge option from the PC, not the mount. Anybody able to confirm ?