"Lawful" Drunken Master

[Moa Rider]

Drunken Master Monk should be locked to Chaotic characters instead. Being drunk on the battlefield is hardly Lawful, and playing as a Drunken Master who worships Cayden Calilean would have been perfect.
I get the feeling they didn't think this through.

[Kochta]

Imagine not being Lawful Neutral Dwarf Drunken Master Aeon passing judgement over criminals for breaking the law of going into battle sober.

[Kaze]

Originally posted by Kochta:

Imagine not being Lawful Neutral Dwarf Drunken Master Aeon passing judgement over criminals for breaking the law of going into battle sober.

Dwarf Lore at its finest. "I am the avatar of Inebriation. Thou art too sober to fight!" I'm getting vibes of Khelgar Ironfist from Neverwinter Nights 2 with this concept and I like it.

[Moa Rider]

Originally posted by John Doe:

I like how many people who believes the Drunken Master is just some random drunk who instigates fights in pubs.

They are the masters of discipline who mastered their body, and honed it into a deadly weapon using alcohol as a tool.

But sure, play as a Caydenite who disgraces himself in front of the enemies are fun too.

You guys really needs to watch the Drunken Master movie, it shows the difference between a chaotic alcoholic and a experienced martial artist who uses the drunken fist. You will be surprised that being simply drunk doesn't make you good at fighting.

Real life martial artists don't have access to magic powers, either. So I don't understand why you people are so incessant on realism, especially considering the fact the Drunken Master in game ACTUALLY drinks beer to gain Ki.
There is literally no good reason for Drunken Master to be Lawful, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid decision.

[Moa Rider]

Originally posted by Riftweaver:

Originally posted by derrien:

yeah, that would be an awesome argument if the game didnt Force you to drink alcohol to get the benefits.

as far as i can tell, thats exactly the case.. their drunken ki pool doesnt seem to say anything like 'you must drink alcohol to recover ki' or anything. none of the abilities have anything like that either.

drunken master has always been more of a movement style than literally being drunk.

That's literally what it says. You drink beer to recover Ki points.
"Drunken Ki
At 3rd level, a drunken master gains a pool of drunken ki points, supernatural energy he can use to accomplish amazing feats. As a standard action, the monk can drink an alcoholic beverage to gain 1 drunken ki point. The monk can have a maximum number of drunken ki points equal to 2 plus one additional point for every two levels thereafter (5th, 7th, and so on). At 8th level, the monk can use this ability as a swift action. This replaces ki pool."

[Moa Rider]

Originally posted by John Doe:

Originally posted by Moa Rider:

Real life martial artists don't have access to magic powers, either. So I don't understand why you people are so incessant on realism, especially considering the fact the Drunken Master in game ACTUALLY drinks beer to gain Ki.
There is literally no good reason for Drunken Master to be Lawful, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid decision.

I don't understand, what does real life has anything to do with this? you know movies aren't all documentaries right? they are fiction all on it's own.

Why are you bringing up movies then when they have no baring on how Drunken Master actually works in game?

[Schlumpsha]

Community liason on Reddit said:
"We've been reading this for a couple of days now, and the team has decided to agree with the players and add a chaotic option and Cayden Cailean for the Drunken Master. Coming in one of the nearest hotfixes."

Huh... sure hope Drunken Master's getting his own set(s) of Monk robes then, Otherwise the soon-to-be chaotic alcoholic pugilist will be left literally naked in the pub. Given that class's existing robes require lawful alignments to be worn and all.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Community liason on Reddit said:
"We've been reading this for a couple of days now, and the team has decided to agree with the players and add a chaotic option and Cayden Cailean for the Drunken Master. Coming in one of the nearest hotfixes."

Huh... sure hope Drunken Master's getting his own set(s) of Monk robes then, Otherwise the soon-to-be chaotic alcoholic pugilist will be left literally naked in the pub. Given that class's existing robes require lawful alignments to be worn and all.

Pfft. Running around naked sounds exactly what a drunken master would do.
...or a Cayden worshipper. Or Cayden himself really.

[Kaze]

So in Defender's Heart Gemyl Hawkes, the innkeeper who worships Cayden, has a mug for 3000 gold that restores the drunken ki pool better, but only 5 times a day. Might have to buy/keep booze on you in addition to that just in case. If Nenio wasn't stuck Neutral I'd make her a drunken master cause of memes.

[*TRF* Viceseer]

As I already mentioned above I don't mind the Drunken Master allowing the Chaotic aligment per se but the justifications I read don't match up what the Monk Class and in lieu the Drunken Master is about.

As an Archetype of the Monk Class being drunken is a way for a monk to reach the perfect self. For the Drunken Master it is the state of drunkenness that is their path to enlightment.

For the Drunken Master 'Drunk' isn't just a state but a prerequisite in his search for enlightenment.

The 3.0 version of the Drunken Master emodied a Chaotics mindet more than Pathfinder Monks do, allowing the use of improvided weapons and such.

[MYXLMYNX]

Hopefully they change it soon so I can start my next playthrough as a chaotic cayden drunk party monk azata

[pete3great]

I think some of you folks need to learn the history of the monk as a class starting all the way back in early DnD before you say it shouldn't be influenced by movies.

[djredd52]

So, if you are a lawful monk (let's say Sohei) and shift to neutral, would you be able to choose Drunken Master as a subclass and move forward in your monk abilities?

[IlluminaZero]

Originally posted by djredd52:

So, if you are a lawful monk (let's say Sohei) and shift to neutral, would you be able to choose Drunken Master as a subclass and move forward in your monk abilities?

As far as I'm aware - You universally cannot do this. If you cannot multiclass with two different Fighter archetypes why would it work with Monk?

[Schlumpsha]

You would need to respec the character and then recreate the build again inside the Drunken Master archetype. Or use certain toybox features to multiclass inside the same parent class, I guess.

[SotiCoto]

Originally posted by Moa Rider:

Drunken Master Monk should be locked to Chaotic characters instead. Being drunk on the battlefield is hardly Lawful, and playing as a Drunken Master who worships Cayden Calilean would have been perfect.
I get the feeling they didn't think this through.

For the Real Life version, the drunkenness is entirely faked. Ironically you have to be completely sober to do it properly. BUT you'd still lose Lawful points for using a martial art focused entirely on trickery / deceit.

Originally posted by Moa Rider:

So I don't understand why you people are so incessant on realism,

First Rule of Speculative Fiction: Like Reality Unless Otherwise Specified.
The only place in Pathfinder where reality has no grasp is the Maelstrom... i.e. the outer plane of pure Chaos. As far as the Material Plane goes, gravity still generally pulls down, the sun still shines during the day and hides at night, and anything not specifically defined as being different to the real world (e.g. gods, magic, etc) probably works the same way as real life. Golarian yogurt probably tastes pretty similar to Earth yogurt, for instance.
Drunken Master requiring Lawful Alignment is specified... so no, you don't get to be a Chaotic Drunken Master. In this world alcohol does not conflict with Lawfulness, which is why Seelah is still a Paladin.