"Lawful" Drunken Master

[Moa Rider]

Drunken Master Monk should be locked to Chaotic characters instead. Being drunk on the battlefield is hardly Lawful, and playing as a Drunken Master who worships Cayden Calilean would have been perfect.
I get the feeling they didn't think this through.

[Mauman]

Meh.

1. it's an official monk archetype that is, you guessed it, still lawful required.

2. It's still shown to be a martial arts discipline with a high focus of inner body control (as it still has all of the monk abilities), not some drunken party lout looking for a fight

3. Meh

[*TRF* Viceseer]

Hmm being drunken has nothing to do with your alignment. Im fine with the idea but Owlcat took the archetype from Paizo, and I haven't seen an Archetypoe that had a different Alignment restriction from its parent class.

[Moa Rider]

Originally posted by Mauman:

Meh.

1. it's an official monk archetype that is, you guessed it, still lawful required.

2. It's still shown to be a martial arts discipline with a high focus of inner body control (as it still has all of the monk abilities), not some drunken party lout looking for a fight

3. Meh

So its more a matter of Paizo being stupid and needlessly restrictive.

[pete3great]

Drunken Master is just that, a master. That requires the discipline to overcome one's drunkeness--that's lawful as heck (and, historically, the stories of drunken masters have them FAKING being drunk--that is mimicing the movements of a drunk without actually being intoxicated).

[Ryan Fenton]

They're drunk... with discipline.

[derrien]

Originally posted by pete3great:

Drunken Master is just that, a master. That requires the discipline to overcome one's drunkeness--that's lawful as heck (and, historically, the stories of drunken masters have them FAKING being drunk--that is mimicing the movements of a drunk without actually being intoxicated).

yeah, that would be an awesome argument if the game didnt Force you to drink alcohol to get the benefits.

[Riftweaver]

Originally posted by derrien:

Originally posted by pete3great:

Drunken Master is just that, a master. That requires the discipline to overcome one's drunkeness--that's lawful as heck (and, historically, the stories of drunken masters have them FAKING being drunk--that is mimicing the movements of a drunk without actually being intoxicated).

yeah, that would be an awesome argument if the game didnt Force you to drink alcohol to get the benefits.

as far as i can tell, thats exactly the case.. their drunken ki pool doesnt seem to say anything like 'you must drink alcohol to recover ki' or anything. none of the abilities have anything like that either.

drunken master has always been more of a movement style than literally being drunk.

[RuffledQuill]

I agree, i really wanted to play a chaotic azata drunken master. I hope Owlcat changes this restriction soon..

[Shahadem]

Drunken master should reduce your AC from dex by 40, your int and wisdom by 60 and your to hit by 50.

Because that is what happens when one is drunk.

The whole concept is stupid beyond belief.

[Mauman]

Originally posted by RuffledQuill:

I agree, i really wanted to play a chaotic azata drunken master. I hope Owlcat changes this restriction soon..

Use Toybox if you're that mad about it and stop telling Owlcat to change official rules.

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Drunken master should reduce your AC from dex by 40, your int and wisdom by 60 and your to hit by 50.

Because that is what happens when one is drunk.

The whole concept is stupid beyond belief.

Complains about "95% of choices being traps"

Complains about "this class should be worse"

The value of your word is zilch.

[RuffledQuill]

Originally posted by Mauman:

Originally posted by RuffledQuill:

I agree, i really wanted to play a chaotic azata drunken master. I hope Owlcat changes this restriction soon..

Use Toybox if you're that mad about it and stop telling Owlcat to change official rules.

Looks like I won't have to, Owlcat commented that they're going to relax the alignment restrictions.
Community liason on Reddit said:
"We've been reading this for a couple of days now, and the team has decided to agree with the players and add a chaotic option and Cayden Cailean for the Drunken Master. Coming in one of the nearest hotfixes."

At least Owlcat sounds like a reasonable and relaxed GM when it comes to "official rules"

[DragonNoz]

Originally posted by RuffledQuill:

Originally posted by Mauman:

Use Toybox if you're that mad about it and stop telling Owlcat to change official rules.

Looks like I won't have to, Owlcat commented that they're going to relax the alignment restrictions.
Community liason on Reddit said:
"We've been reading this for a couple of days now, and the team has decided to agree with the players and add a chaotic option and Cayden Cailean for the Drunken Master. Coming in one of the nearest hotfixes."

At least Owlcat sounds like a reasonable and relaxed GM when it comes to "official rules"

ooooh, neato. maybe they'll be fixing up other stuff, too.

[LArc7thHeaven]

Drunken fist IRL is imitating and mimicking drunk person movement not actually drunk but movies made it that you have to actually drunk some booze to access drunken fist. IRL situation would be you'll wildly swing your hands because of hazy drunkness

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by Moa Rider:

Drunken Master Monk should be locked to Chaotic characters instead. Being drunk on the battlefield is hardly Lawful, and playing as a Drunken Master who worships Cayden Calilean would have been perfect.
I get the feeling they didn't think this through.

I do agree with this one, for the pathfinder setting, seems like being unable to worship the god of bars is a weird choice.

That said, technically, drunken masters (real thing) are not always drunk, it's more about an unpredictible fighting style that moves in a way that doesn't seem like real martial arts.

PS: Like one of the earliest jackie chan films, and one of his best, is on this topic. Worth watching even now: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080179/

[Belegc]

Originally posted by RuffledQuill:

Originally posted by Mauman:

Use Toybox if you're that mad about it and stop telling Owlcat to change official rules.

Looks like I won't have to, Owlcat commented that they're going to relax the alignment restrictions.
Community liason on Reddit said:
"We've been reading this for a couple of days now, and the team has decided to agree with the players and add a chaotic option and Cayden Cailean for the Drunken Master. Coming in one of the nearest hotfixes."

At least Owlcat sounds like a reasonable and relaxed GM when it comes to "official rules"

does this mean that we can dip Drunken Master in Camellia's Build?