The Path of the Aeon.

[Galgamet]

I chose the path of the Aeon, can I be a neutrally kind character? Or will I get any negative consequences?

[forkofspite]

"Negative consequences" are subjective. Depending on choices, it's possible to be locked at mythic rank 8, so I guess that's one potential negative consequence.

[kotor_fan]

Up to a point, on both accounts.
You absolutely do not need to be total ♥♥♥♥, imprison/hang everyone (seriously, default Aeon choices are ridiculously lawful stupid), but you do need to enforce law.

That said, it's fairly simple to get enough points to progress to "true Aeon" ending, and if you so desire (and don't mind how little sense it makes), you can even keep your romance going all the way to the end of the game.

Minor "spoiler": Save after getting Rank 10 mythic, there's a choice, and both options lead to Aeon ending, just in different way.

And no, you don't need to kick out even a single companion out, despite Aeon choices which would reduce you to borderline being forced to use mercenaries.

Minor edit: I'd still recommend picking most Aeon choices (companions/companion quests excluded), because that's kind of the path you're going with.
So it's unique in that sense, no point selecting Aeon, then missing all of the unique Aeon content because you want "good" option.

And despite looking idiotic at times (*cough* Act 4 Aeon content *cough*), some Aeon choices lead to fun/good resolutions, so don't skip them.

[Galgamet]

Originally posted by kotor_fan:

Up to a point, on both accounts.
You absolutely do not need to be total ♥♥♥♥, imprison/hang everyone (seriously, default Aeon choices are ridiculously lawful stupid), but you do need to enforce law.

That said, it's fairly simple to get enough points to progress to "true Aeon" ending, and if you so desire (and don't mind how little sense it makes), you can even keep your romance going all the way to the end of the game.

Minor "spoiler": Save after getting Rank 10 mythic, there's a choice, and both options lead to Aeon ending, just in different way.

And no, you don't need to kick out even a single companion out, despite Aeon choices which would reduce you to borderline being forced to use mercenaries.

So everything will depend on my specific choices (at the right moment), even if I remain a neutrally kind character until the very end?

[Drake]

Originally posted by Galgamet:

Originally posted by kotor_fan:

Up to a point, on both accounts.
You absolutely do not need to be total ♥♥♥♥, imprison/hang everyone (seriously, default Aeon choices are ridiculously lawful stupid), but you do need to enforce law.

That said, it's fairly simple to get enough points to progress to "true Aeon" ending, and if you so desire (and don't mind how little sense it makes), you can even keep your romance going all the way to the end of the game.

Minor "spoiler": Save after getting Rank 10 mythic, there's a choice, and both options lead to Aeon ending, just in different way.

And no, you don't need to kick out even a single companion out, despite Aeon choices which would reduce you to borderline being forced to use mercenaries.

So everything will depend on my specific choices (at the right moment), even if I remain a neutrally kind character until the very end?

To be specific, in each of the aeon task, you wil get 3 choices : one renegade aeon, choice, one true aeon choice, one corrupted choice (to unlock the devil path).

You need to choose all of the true aeon ones to get all 10 mythic ranks. Choosing renegade aeon dialogs will lock you to rank 8, and choosing all of the devil dialogs will let you switch to devil at rank 8.

[kotor_fan]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Galgamet:

So everything will depend on my specific choices (at the right moment), even if I remain a neutrally kind character until the very end?

To be specific, in each of the aeon task, you wil get 3 choices : one renegade aeon, choice, one true aeon choice, one corrupted choice (to unlock the devil path).

You need to choose all of the true aeon ones to get all 10 mythic ranks. Choosing renegade aeon dialogs will lock you to rank 8, and choosing all of the devil dialogs will let you switch to devil at rank 8.

Are you certain you need to pick ALL true Aeon choices?
Cause I sure as ♥♥♥♥ didn't send people to gallows for small things (selling drugs, looting corpses etc.), and that's what "true Aeon" choices are according to law book that gets added to your inventory as quest item.
The only thing I actively avoided were any devil choices, and they're clear as day, since they're all about breaking the law.

I followed no guide, acted with mercy towards minor criminals (even when book states death penalty) and generally went with "lower punishment" where I felt some sort of punishment is needed (exile instead of death for example).
Also did all companion quests based on personal choices, never kicked anyone out.
Still got true Aeon ending (both, if 2nd ending can be considered true, but game sure treats it that way since you remain Aeon, just having minor Aeon ruled kingdom in world)

So in a way, I went mostly with normal Lawful choices, instead of idiot lawful that fair few true Aeon choices are.

EDIT 2: ACTUAL SPOILER
Also also, Devil can be given even on True Aeon path. I selected grand total of 0 devil choices, and with persuasion during devil trial, manage to persuade guy that becoming devil would be win-win for both sides.

Bubblebuf and Toybox installed, but no etudes edited, I never do it. So not Mod related.

[reidj062]

A lot of the aeon quests are stupid and don't make any sense. For some reason I had to decide either to hang or let free a guy who was a scoundrel and selling crusader gear on the market. No option to imprison. I literally got more options with what to do to Nurah, and she attempted to kill off an entire army.

Then there's the fact that I have to bluff or intimidate the guy into telling the truth in front of the court. Why? This isn't a 21st century trial. He doesn't have a lawyer and a jury. He's being tried by me in front of an audience of my own advisors. Advisors who at best demonstrate being slightly uncomfortable if I embrace the path of the demon. I don't require a confession. In fact, even in modern law you can be found guilty if you stick to your guns but the evidence is overwhelming. This isn't lawful, it's simply moronic.

Also, why do I have to memorize every item found in the smuggler's lair for his "trial"? Why can't we just say I made a list or had someone IN THE GIANT ARMY I OWN record my findings?

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by reidj062:

A lot of the aeon quests are stupid and don't make any sense. For some reason I had to decide either to hang or let free a guy who was a scoundrel and selling crusader gear on the market. No option to imprison. I literally got more options with what to do to Nurah, and she attempted to kill off an entire army.

Then there's the fact that I have to bluff or intimidate the guy into telling the truth in front of the court. Why? This isn't a 21st century trial. He doesn't have a lawyer and a jury. He's being tried by me in front of an audience of my own advisors. Advisors who at best demonstrate being slightly uncomfortable if I embrace the path of the demon. I don't require a confession. In fact, even in modern law you can be found guilty if you stick to your guns but the evidence is overwhelming. This isn't lawful, it's simply moronic.

Also, why do I have to memorize every item found in the smuggler's lair for his "trial"? Why can't we just say I made a list or had someone IN THE GIANT ARMY I OWN record my findings?

I think it's because Owlcat does not like the lawful alignment. A majority of the lawful choices in this game are rough even if you aren't playing Aeon.

I get that Aeon was going for a cold impartial judge that operates beyond the compassion and reasoning of man, but the rigidity at which the law has to be interpreted is almost painful to one's reasoning.

I liked how the story turned out, but I still wish that the game made the people around the KC more reactive to their ummovable ways.

[Razer]

I personally never got into Aeon that much because they are supposed to be all about cosmic balance, but the way it was implemented is really lame. Aeons dont concern themselves with a single individual breaking a law. So most of the dialogue makes no sense.

Read here about Aeons https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Aeon

Nothing about that is represented in the game.

[kotor_fan]

Originally posted by Razer:

I personally never got into Aeon that much because they are supposed to be all about cosmic balance, but the way it was implemented is really lame. Aeons dont concern themselves with a single individual breaking a law. So most of the dialogue makes no sense.

Read here about Aeons https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Aeon

Nothing about that is represented in the game.

Are you trying to tell me person that kicked a dog 20 years ago doesn't need to submit himself to judge for trial for his crimes?
Why, you suck as Aeon!

Full disclaimer though: Aeon content is amazing and I loved almost every second of it.
But Aeon path choices were... at times, using word moronic would be understatement.

[Val]

your alignment and mythic path dont really have anything to do with eachother. You can be an Evil angels or a good demon or whatever. The game is too wrapped up in its own npcs to really care what your doing.

[Shahadem]

Aeons are hypocritical idiots. They think it is wrong for a creature that lives in the universe to travel to another place inside that universe but think there is nothing wrong about changing the timeline or imposing their own beliefs on beings inside the universe.

Also the devs confused lawful alignment with following the laws of the nation even though lawful alignment has nothing to do with following the legal law and everything to do with following a religious or moral or professional code.

Regill for instance is lawful because he strictly adheres to the regulations of the Hellknights. But he openly taunts the Queen and does not care one whit about the laws of the nation.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Aeons are hypocritical idiots. They think it is wrong for a creature that lives in the universe to travel to another place inside that universe but think there is nothing wrong about changing the timeline or imposing their own beliefs on beings inside the universe.

Also the devs confused lawful alignment with following the laws of the nation even though lawful alignment has nothing to do with following the legal law and everything to do with following a religious or moral or professional code.

Regill for instance is lawful because he strictly adheres to the regulations of the Hellknights. But he openly taunts the Queen and does not care one whit about the laws of the nation.

Lawful can be following local law or a code of conduct or both. This isn't represented in the game very well. You can be lawful while opposing local law. Aeons lawfulness in this game has nothing to do with Aeon at all.

[Lywelyn]

Originally posted by kotor_fan:

Up to a point, on both accounts.
You absolutely do not need to be total ♥♥♥♥, imprison/hang everyone (seriously, default Aeon choices are ridiculously lawful stupid), but you do need to enforce law.

That said, it's fairly simple to get enough points to progress to "true Aeon" ending, and if you so desire (and don't mind how little sense it makes), you can even keep your romance going all the way to the end of the game.

Minor "spoiler": Save after getting Rank 10 mythic, there's a choice, and both options lead to Aeon ending, just in different way.

And no, you don't need to kick out even a single companion out, despite Aeon choices which would reduce you to borderline being forced to use mercenaries.

Minor edit: I'd still recommend picking most Aeon choices (companions/companion quests excluded), because that's kind of the path you're going with.
So it's unique in that sense, no point selecting Aeon, then missing all of the unique Aeon content because you want "good" option.

And despite looking idiotic at times (*cough* Act 4 Aeon content *cough*), some Aeon choices lead to fun/good resolutions, so don't skip them.

I'm sorry but roleplay as doctor Who, deleting timelines only to then delete myself was pure fun and comedy, even more than trickster

[Terror13]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Aeons are hypocritical idiots. They think it is wrong for a creature that lives in the universe to travel to another place inside that universe but think there is nothing wrong about changing the timeline or imposing their own beliefs on beings inside the universe.

Also the devs confused lawful alignment with following the laws of the nation even though lawful alignment has nothing to do with following the legal law and everything to do with following a religious or moral or professional code.

Regill for instance is lawful because he strictly adheres to the regulations of the Hellknights. But he openly taunts the Queen and does not care one whit about the laws of the nation.

Aeons are meant to be true neutral, they are in proper original D&D, pathfinder, they ultra effed up.

It's low childish human "morality"

The "law" they impart is cosmic law, but all their alignments are "true neutral" like AO

[Razer]

Originally posted by Terror13:

Originally posted by Shahadem:

Aeons are hypocritical idiots. They think it is wrong for a creature that lives in the universe to travel to another place inside that universe but think there is nothing wrong about changing the timeline or imposing their own beliefs on beings inside the universe.

Also the devs confused lawful alignment with following the laws of the nation even though lawful alignment has nothing to do with following the legal law and everything to do with following a religious or moral or professional code.

Regill for instance is lawful because he strictly adheres to the regulations of the Hellknights. But he openly taunts the Queen and does not care one whit about the laws of the nation.

Aeons are meant to be true neutral, they are in proper original D&D, pathfinder, they ultra effed up.

It's low childish human "morality"

The "law" they impart is cosmic law, but all their alignments are "true neutral" like AO

Problem lies with Owlcat not with Pathfinder.