Why doesn't freedom of movement work on Daeran?

[NotaBear]

he's still staggered on first round.

[kotor_fan]

It does/should.

Are you using boots that grant FoM?
Sometimes they bug out and their buff disappears. You can see it on him while he's got no buffs.
If he has FoM buff applied, boots work. If not, remove and re-equip them, buff icon will return and he'll be fine.

[Uzkin]

Both the boots and the spell work on my Daeran, so I'm guessing it's either what kotor_fan said, or some weird mod issue.

[NotaBear]

oh, it's tabletop tweaks

Staggered Condition

Removes the movement impairing descriptor from staggered

[Razer]

According to table top rules freedom of movement does not affect staggered condition. So this effect is incorrectly suppressed by fom in this game. Tabletop tweaks fixes this, making Daeran a lot less valuable in combat.

[reidj062]

Daeran's staggered condition is from an oracle's curse. Nothing in tabletop allows you to negate an oracle's curse. It would make sense that the video game would do the same.

[Drake]

Originally posted by reidj062:

Daeran's staggered condition is from an oracle's curse. Nothing in tabletop allows you to negate an oracle's curse. It would make sense that the video game would do the same.

By PF2E rules I would agree, since the curse itself is built into the mechanic of the mystery, and the whole power level with revelation thing.
But PF1E rules are a little more vague about what works around a curse effect. You could argue that it's possible to temporarily negate the resulting effects of the curse, while still being affected by the curse itself, even if as a GM I would personally forbid this (or if I ever allow this, I would state that it also stops the beneficial part of the curse, so for daeran I would remove uncanny dodge for the fight if he's not staggered the first round), as it's a core mechanic and RP element of the class (that's like saying a paladin can get away with breaking their oath anytime they want because a trinket says so, that calls for divine smite the moment they unequip it).

[Razer]

Originally posted by reidj062:

Daeran's staggered condition is from an oracle's curse. Nothing in tabletop allows you to negate an oracle's curse. It would make sense that the video game would do the same.

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by reidj062:

Daeran's staggered condition is from an oracle's curse. Nothing in tabletop allows you to negate an oracle's curse. It would make sense that the video game would do the same.

By PF2E rules I would agree, since the curse itself is built into the mechanic of the mystery, and the whole power level with revelation thing.
But PF1E rules are a little more vague about what works around a curse effect. You could argue that it's possible to temporarily negate the resulting effects of the curse, while still being affected by the curse itself, even if as a GM I would personally forbid this, as it's a core mechanic and RP element of the class (that's like saying a paladin can get away with breaking their oath anytime they want because a trinket says so, that calls for divine smite the moment they unequip it).

Both of these points are moot, because FoM doesn't affect Staggered in the first place. The game incorrectly suppresses it.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Razer:

Originally posted by reidj062:

Daeran's staggered condition is from an oracle's curse. Nothing in tabletop allows you to negate an oracle's curse. It would make sense that the video game would do the same.

Originally posted by Drake:

By PF2E rules I would agree, since the curse itself is built into the mechanic of the mystery, and the whole power level with revelation thing.
But PF1E rules are a little more vague about what works around a curse effect. You could argue that it's possible to temporarily negate the resulting effects of the curse, while still being affected by the curse itself, even if as a GM I would personally forbid this, as it's a core mechanic and RP element of the class (that's like saying a paladin can get away with breaking their oath anytime they want because a trinket says so, that calls for divine smite the moment they unequip it).

Both of these points are moot, because FoM doesn't affect Staggered in the first place. The game incorrectly suppresses it.

I was talking about curses in general.

[Razer]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Razer:

Both of these points are moot, because FoM doesn't affect Staggered in the first place. The game incorrectly suppresses it.

I was talking about curses in general.

Fair enough