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[Brother]

so i was looking through weapon types cause of course to play these games you need to know stuff before

so, i looked at warhammers, two in particular, one the would turn enemies to stone, and one that would knock enemies prone

now if i duel wield, will both effects activate? of course its a chance but "can" both activate

ive been toying with a lich dragon..uhhhh desciple?

buuut a dragon with warhammers i dont think meshes since i believe weapon effects dont activate in "other froms"

so more so lich that dual wields warhammers to try and constantly lock down enemies while the swarms up summons and undead pile one

i know summons and such arent kindly looked upon cause they are weak but i just love the army of the undead

i blame in on the Grey Necromancer from dnd stories
but anywho, any ideas and such for specs and levels

[Jondar Korric]

look at Reanimator Alchemist. it stacks nicely with Lich and between Lich, Reanimator, and Augment Summoning, the summons have respectable stats.

[Drake]

Your weapon doesn't work when you are transformed, you get the natural weapon of the creature instead (claws, bites, tail etc.).

If you want to make a melee lich dragon, you're better off picking a shifter with the dragonblood archetype and letting the lich mythic path taking care of your spellcasting.

If you want a pure caster, you can pick sorcerer, but know that you'll be weaker in melee and you won't have anough slots to get combat feats and magic feats, so you'll have to make a choice.

[jonnin]

dragon disciple CAN turn into a dragon, but its your choice. Many people just take 4+ levels of it to get a boost to strength and natural armor more than for the polymorph, and may never use the dragon form at all.

watch out for weapons that have derpy effects on them. Most of those will have a low DC associated with it, and the enemy will basically need to roll a 1 out of 20 to be affected by it (5% chance).

dual wielding heavy weapons has a higher to-hit penalty.

summoning can be strong. Early on its mostly skeletons as meat shields, but late game summoning isnt weak (its not a sit back and watch the show either, but they do a bit for you). The inquisitor summoner and beast tamer bard get interesting towards endgame. So does the cleric one but it burns spells and is weaker for that reason.

lich is a master spell caster that does other stuff too. It doesn't rely on summons, it has them as one thing it can do.

ideas? Figure out your base class. Lich doesn't have to be a level 9 spell caster class with low attack skills to work, but if you want good melee ability with dual wielding, you need to find a happy place for that idea, like a magus or inquisitor/warpriest etc. Basically you need at least medium BAB progression to fight well with weapons and I personally wouldn't dual wield without a high BAB character. There are high BAB weak casters like the bloodrager who is also a natural progression to dragon disciple... and would fit your build 100%, but I dunno how lichy its going to feel with a max of level 4 spells on the base class.