Deity for Angel

[Brian]

Without going too heavy into spoilers, everything I'm looking up says, "If you go Angel, it's actually kind of strange to worship Iomedae because of how the story works out". I'm thinking of playing a Crusader Cleric Angel but I'm trying to decide between Iomedae and Erastil. I'm going to get Animal domain eventually no matter what because I want a steed, it's just a matter of "Do I worship Iomedae and later get Impossible Domain? Or worship Erastil and get it from the start?" And really the deciding factor here is going to be the roleplay/story/dialogue.

[Schlumpsha]

Alternatively you could go for Apsu and select the Scalykind domain. That way you can pick either a velociraptor or a monitor lizard for a mount.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Alternatively you could go for Apsu and select the Scalykind domain. That way you can pick either a velociraptor or a monitor lizard for a mount.

That sounds awesome for a more "wacky" playthrough but I'm trying to get immersed :p Cool idea though.

[Fuinril]

I don't think there's a lot of changes dialog wise whoever your deity is (never done any cleric run, can change something).

Roleplay wise angels are Iomedae's and not Erastil. As for implications with the story, for one part if you want to roleplay meta knowledge should not impact your choices, and on the second part I'd say when you're prompted to make THE choice you can either choose to listen to your goddess or not ; your goddess she can be but at this point you're a quasi divine beeing yourself

Gameplay wise Erastil is stronger at the beginning

My final thoughts : I think the whole angel questline is very lorefriendly with an Iomedae's worshipper until the point she told you to reject the mythic power and go legend

[mk11]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Alternatively you could go for Apsu and select the Scalykind domain. That way you can pick either a velociraptor or a monitor lizard for a mount.

Can you ride the lizard? And the raptor is only for small people?

[Brian]

Originally posted by mk11:

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Alternatively you could go for Apsu and select the Scalykind domain. That way you can pick either a velociraptor or a monitor lizard for a mount.

Can you ride the lizard? And the raptor is only for small people?

Pretty sure most pets are ridable at level 7. Centipede is an exception.

[Schlumpsha]

Originally posted by mk11:

Can you ride the lizard? And the raptor is only for small people?

You can. Both the velociraptor and monitor lizard start out as Small and become Medium at 7th level. Any race can ride them as long as you cast Reduce Person on the rider. Small races can ride them normally at 7th level. But still profit from Reduce Person early on to ride their small scalies.

Alternatively Tabletop Tweaks introduced the Undersized Mount feat. That one allows your character to ride mounts the same size as you.

[MacabreLion]

Originally posted by Schlumpsha:

Alternatively you could go for Apsu and select the Scalykind domain. That way you can pick either a velociraptor or a monitor lizard for a mount.

Anyone who uses small pets that isn't a small race in the game will be constantly resizing themselves during buffs by the time of legendary proportions since by default with that spell - the size disparity should be back, and you will be constantly resizing yourself after the fact. Mounting is already tedious and many spots in the game force you off for no reason - before many fights as well. This will make it so much worse.

[Niklasbane(PM)]

If you value roleplaying then don't worship Iomadae or you'll eventually get to a point where doing the clearly roleplay-correct thing will railroad you in a direction you probably don't want.

For an Angel run that's as roleplay friendly as possible, you should probably go for Erastil or Sarenrae, my Angel Crusader Cleric was a worshipper of Sarenrae and it works great with the Angel Path's protecting abilities; very flavourful.

I also echo the above post that you shouldn't bother with mounts; on the grounds that the way they're mechanically implemented makes them an absolute ball-ache to manage. Almost literally every scene transition you have to manually re-mount it, and if it's a race that doesn't end up the appropriate size for your characters you'll have to keep investing in size-changing spells or potions that need to be manually applied as well. Just spare yourself the headache and don't get a mount.

[Fuinril]

Originally posted by Niklasbane(PM):

If you value roleplaying then don't worship Iomadae or you'll eventually get to a point where doing the clearly roleplay-correct thing will railroad you in a direction you probably don't want.

I completely disagree. At this point you're a semi-god (at least), Yes you disobey (she does not order, but is clear enough) but how is that not compatible with roleplaying ? The true ending makes you a god at Iomedae level anyways

Anyhow there's no real way of roleplaying a loyal follower of Iomedae appart from going legend. But one who begins as a loyal follower and is till end of act IV in blind faith no issue... And there's litterally a TON of possible interpretation of the beginning of act V. The fact the Iomedae is an ascended mortal and her lack of concern of everything BUT your mythic powers, including the destiny of her hand could shake the most devoted worshipper

[MacabreLion]

Originally posted by Niklasbane(PM):

If you value roleplaying then don't worship Iomadae or you'll eventually get to a point where doing the clearly roleplay-correct thing will railroad you in a direction you probably don't want.

For an Angel run that's as roleplay friendly as possible, you should probably go for Erastil or Sarenrae, my Angel Crusader Cleric was a worshipper of Sarenrae and it works great with the Angel Path's protecting abilities; very flavourful.

I also echo the above post that you shouldn't bother with mounts; on the grounds that the way they're mechanically implemented makes them an absolute ball-ache to manage. Almost literally every scene transition you have to manually re-mount it, and if it's a race that doesn't end up the appropriate size for your characters you'll have to keep investing in size-changing spells or potions that need to be manually applied as well. Just spare yourself the headache and don't get a mount.

I wouldn't say don't bother with them at all, just don't bother with the small ones. Gryphon is insanely OP, and rideable from level 1.

Flying attack ( lv 1 ) = charge from anywhere
heavy landing( lv 7 ) = prone chance everyone in aoe radius around landing spot from flying attack

requires a dip but well worth if animal companion is desired.

Dog otherwise probably best pet. rideable at 7, prones on bite, lowers enemy ac from its bite when it prones (up to 4 iirc)

[Niklasbane(PM)]

Originally posted by Fuinril:

I completely disagree. At this point you're a semi-god (at least), Yes you disobey (she does not order, but is clear enough) but how is that not compatible with roleplaying ? The true ending makes you a god at Iomedae level anyways

Anyhow there's no real way of roleplaying a loyal follower of Iomedae appart from going legend. But one who begins as a loyal follower and is till end of act IV in blind faith no issue... And there's litterally a TON of possible interpretation of the beginning of act V. The fact the Iomedae is an ascended mortal and her lack of concern of everything BUT your mythic powers, including the destiny of her hand could shake the most devoted worshipper

I completely disagree with your disagreement. UNO REVERSE!
If you're roleplaying a devout follower of Iomadae, which a Cleric is, you would have supreme faith in her judgment and roleplay-wise you have zero justification to not do something that she explicitly wants you to do.

IE; when you get to "that" point in the story, if you're roleplaying as a cleric of Iomadae, there are really only 2 things you can do without breaking your roleplay.
Either do what she asks, which you may not want as a player, or go against the direct explicit wishes of your deity and logically have a falling out with your faith because you believe your own judgment superseeds theirs.

Originally posted by MacabreLion:

I wouldn't say don't bother with them at all, just don't bother with the small ones. Gryphon is insanely OP, and rideable from level 1.

Flying attack ( lv 1 ) = charge from anywhere
heavy landing( lv 7 ) = prone chance everyone in aoe radius around landing spot from flying attack

requires a dip but well worth if animal companion is desired.

Dog otherwise probably best pet. rideable at 7, prones on bite, lowers enemy ac from its bite when it prones (up to 4 iirc)

The problem isn't that mounts aren't mechanically viable, it's that managing them is a colossal pain in the butt. The game engine will dismount you in almost every scene transition and require you to manually re-mount every single time, and there are plenty of scenes that won't even give you a chance to mount before immediately throwing you into combat unmounted. It's a lot of busywork just for the gimmick of being mounted.

[Fuinril]

Originally posted by Niklasbane(PM):

or go against the direct explicit wishes of your deity and logically have a falling out with your faith because you believe your own judgment superseeds theirs.

So what ? Not arguing, just saying that at this point you have enough logical and rethorical argues to make your roleplay evolve. Background story : you were a sworn Iomedae's worshipper she betrayed you, especially on the angel path

[Draken]

Just because you follow a god or goddess doesn't mean you have to agree with everything she stands for or does.

And not following her every command doesn't mean you have a failing out with your faith.

Especially in pathfinder where the gods are failable and have pretty human motives. Especially with a brand new goddess that was human once.

At least that's my opinion.

[Fuinril]

Originally posted by Draken:

At least that's my opinion.

spoiler tags plz.

But you're right

[Draken]

Originally posted by Fuinril:

Originally posted by Draken:

At least that's my opinion.

spoiler tags plz.

But you're right

Spoiler tags for what? I just said some generic statements based on the non spoiler tagged posts in this thread.