shouldn't wenduag be mutation warrior?

[wei270]

is it just me or does wenduag feel like she should be mutation warrior

[Schlumpsha]

No, Fighter never made sense for Wenduag. She should be a Ranger, as her tabletop self is of that class. Alternatively I could picture Wenduag being a Flesheater. Given her diet tendencies.

[leyasu888]

I always level her from level 2 as a Ranger:Demon slayer for the anti demon buffs and the pet anyway :p

[mbradtke]

many classes make sense for wenduag to some distinct...
warrior is just VERY basic... and allows some freedom for multiclassing to other martial classes, IMO base warrior is good for her, she has high dex and can make use out of armor training and it is a "skilled" class, so she is described by her chieftain...
mutation warrior is about being quite alchemistic, what she probably is not "low int", so i would say no, also wenduag lacks the attitude for a companion as a ranger, so i would say no to ranger as self, she is just too selfish and would probably eat her pet as soon as she gets hungry... lmao
flesheater makes sense but she is gated into a ranged build already, so unless you want to use a respec mod, she will stay a warrior

[Gregor Eisenhorn]

I like to multiclass her with a class that has rage, simply because she underwent the ritual and "harnessed/mastered" the induced rage. So thematically speaking I personally like her as an instinctual warrior (barbarian archetype).

[Wayz]

I just leave her as a fighter, Ain't nothing wrong with a dedicated fighter in the party, besides give her duel wielding light weapons and she is slices and dices.
Edit: Seems I took a little dip for a sneak attack too so mine is not single class afterall.

[TaKo]

i like respeccing her into a vivisectionist

[Frozen Dervish]

no.

[Niklasbane(PM)]

Wenduag being just a "warrior" always felt to me like they just gave her the most basic class that works for her and then wanted to let the player spec her from there.

The issue, IMO, is that like you said, the "classes" that would thematically suit her best are either a subclass of Warrior so you can't pick it or a class that clashes with the warrior level such as ranger.

Honestly, the biggest question mark to me was always Lann. How the heck is he a "Zenn Monk"? He grew up in a cave hunting bugs to feed his village, where did he even learn the concept of "Zenn" or get so good at fist-fighting when all his "enemies" have been giant centipedes and flies? How is he NOT a Hunter when that's literally his profession and area of expertise?

[Frozen Dervish]

Originally posted by Niklasbane(PM):

Wenduag being just a "warrior" always felt to me like they just gave her the most basic class that works for her and then wanted to let the player spec her from there.

The issue, IMO, is that like you said, the "classes" that would thematically suit her best are either a subclass of Warrior so you can't pick it or a class that clashes with the warrior level such as ranger.

Honestly, the biggest question mark to me was always Lann. How the heck is he a "Zenn Monk"? He grew up in a cave hunting bugs to feed his village, where did he even learn the concept of "Zenn" or get so good at fist-fighting when all his "enemies" have been giant centipedes and flies? How is he NOT a Hunter when that's literally his profession and area of expertise?

"Thematically" she is a ranger as per her TT class.
"Thematically" lann is a commoner with no class.

The reason both are what they are is because: Arue was changed from being a lame rogue into a usable class aka the Ranger.

Because Arue is now a Ranger Wendy is now a fighter.
Lann never had a class to begin with so he is unaffected.

What people really want to say is "We want to "powergame" their classes" rather than having thematically correct classes.

[Niklasbane(PM)]

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

"Thematically" she is a ranger as per her TT class.
"Thematically" lann is a commoner with no class.

The reason both are what they are is because: Arue was changed from being a lame rogue into a usable class aka the Ranger.

Because Arue is now a Ranger Wendy is now a fighter.
Lann never had a class to begin with so he is unaffected.

You're misunderstanding the usage of the words "thematically mismatched" here.

The complaint is not that Wenduag is not aligned with her TT class, it's that her class in the game does not thematically match her character as much as it should, which is literally what classes are supposed to do; accentuate their character and personal history.

"Warrior" is a very generic class while there are other classes that match her character and background much more precisely, so why not give her one of those classes that make more logical sense for her to have instead?

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

What people really want to say is "We want to "powergame" their classes" rather than having thematically correct classes.

Now you lost me. What on earth is that supposed to mean? What does that random accusation out of nowhere have anything to do with the question of the topic?
None of this was about giving her abusable power, it was about giving her a class that aligns better with her character and background.

[Frozen Dervish]

Originally posted by Niklasbane(PM):

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

"Thematically" she is a ranger as per her TT class.
"Thematically" lann is a commoner with no class.

The reason both are what they are is because: Arue was changed from being a lame rogue into a usable class aka the Ranger.

Because Arue is now a Ranger Wendy is now a fighter.
Lann never had a class to begin with so he is unaffected.

You're misunderstanding the usage of the words "thematically mismatched" here.

The complaint is not that Wenduag is not aligned with her TT class, it's that her class in the game does not thematically match her character as much as it should, which is literally what classes are supposed to do; accentuate their character and personal history.

"Warrior" is a very generic class while there are other classes that match her character and background much more precisely, so why not give her one of those classes that make more logical sense for her to have instead?

Originally posted by Frozen Dervish:

What people really want to say is "We want to "powergame" their classes" rather than having thematically correct classes.

Now you lost me. What on earth is that supposed to mean? What does that random accusation out of nowhere have anything to do with the question of the topic?
None of this was about giving her abusable power, it was about giving her a class that aligns better with her character and background.

Define thematically cause being a basic fighter is very in line with her thematically. She knows how to fight. She wants to be stronger and fighters exemplify this trait. She has training with a bow another trait she shares with the basic fighter.

Mutation Warrior in the example given by the OP is a power gaming option. Both Lann and Wendy have the brew potions trait. Both Lann and Wendy have the Hunter Background. Neither have shown any inclination of alchemic mastery or knowledge or have story defining moments of chugging performance enhancing drugs.

Lann on the other hand has shown no inclination towards nature, nor does he have an animal companion following him around in his story. Now let's go with the description of Zen Monk: "Some monks seek to become one with another weapon entirely—the bow. The zen archer takes a weapon most other monks eschew and seeks perfection in the pull of a taut bowstring, the flex of a bow’s limbs, and the flight of an arrow fired true." We have no clue on whether or not Lann sees his prowess with a bow as perfection or not, but it also isn't something that is out of character since he does start with proficiency and bonuses to bows similar to Wendy who similarly has a knack of wanting to be better/stronger which also fits in with fighter, but since Wendy is already a fighter Zen Archer thematically according to the description works just fine.

The backgrounds are also just that "backgrounds" both Wendy/Lann have the freedom to move on from both their background and their first chosen class so Lann could move onto being a Hunter, while Wendy is restricted from being a Mutation Warrior though the move to a multiclass would be pretty heavily out of character as neither show an inclination of changing professions like the rest of the companions.

Now again tell me what logical sense has been made with these "thematic" choices that don't revolve around powergaming and/or one specific feature.

[Schlumpsha]

Fighter really does not make thematically sense for Wenduag. She doesn't know how to 'fight' per say. At least not in the sense of a Fighter, spending thousands of hours for the sake of perfecting a weapon technique as Regill does. Wenduag knows how to 'survive'. And not just thanks to her Hunter background either. Everything she does is in the name of personal survival: be it in the wilderness, amongst treacherous allies, or as a volunteered personal pet who doesn't mind biting the owner's hand once she smells weakness. To reiterate my previous point: Wenduag is a Ranger in both origin and personality.

I agree that Mutated Warrior makes even less sense than the basic Fighter though. As the only alchemical substance she has first hand experience with is Savamelekh's venom. This in turn however makes thematical sense for the Barbarian, in particular the Flesheater, as she had to wrestle with overwhelming demonic rage. Just like the group of bestial mongrels in the prologue.

Arueshalae being a Espionage Expert is no sound reason for Wenduag not to be a second Ranger. By the same flawed logic Wenduag shouldn't be a Fighter in the first place due to Regill, Trever and Kestoglyr already being Fighter companions. But here we are with a fourth one.

[Frozen Dervish]

Regill is technically a hellknight rather than a fighter.
Trever is a hidden character and not really subject to the companion classes similar to Galfrey.
Kestoglyr is technically a replacement companion since your living companions don't really mesh with the Lich bonuses.

[Schlumpsha]

Irrelevant. 'Technically' Ranger Arueshalae could have posed a replacement for hypothetical Ranger Wenduag. You know, for the less evil inclined parties. 'Technically' there is also nothing hindering a 'Fighter' Lich of having a party composing of Wenduag, Trever, Regill and Kestoglyr. Throw in a Fighter merc and viola: you have an all Fighter party.

Either way you slice it, the argument falls short.

[Frozen Dervish]

technically Ranger arue doesn't have a specific trait tied to a mythic path granting it bonus power that a living companion doesn't get and again trever is a hidden companion and not a standard one.