♡ Love & appreciation for WotR ♡ [SPOILERS]

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

After a fun playthrough, 2nd Demon run in a row in fact lol.. yes, i wanted to do some choices in other ways, to see how it would affect things and outcomes, and yes - i had autistic drive, no.. URGE to get it done so that would get the fan favorite achievement that is named menacingly as: Sadistic Game Design. Did get that at the end, and felt awesome obviously.

Game is a true masterpiece, there are several things that can actually change and affect the outcomes and yes, also the "ending story slides", so it was really cool to see.

In my 2nd run, instead of the more "traditional approach" that 1st one had, i did on 2nd run had fun by allying (and staying fully loyal to my friend Lady in Shadow, getting her unholy blessing, loyal to the end in all possible choice parts in any quests,

And at the end of Threshold, did not even kill mother Areelu, but spared her and closed the Worldwound myself, with my own powers. Nothing like true Demon Mistress powers! Lowkey best Mythic path. So Areelu did get to live in peace after that until her natural days ended, end battle did not lead to end for anyone, and i ruled both in Abyss and in Drezen as independent state. Of course my dear Lady in Shadow has the supreme rule in Abyss part, but me, as most others also, see us as totally equals. I could have taken her down, but i like her. Sharing is caring, one can share the Abyss, plenty to go around.

Interestingly, also some big deaths happened, or let's call them sacrifices for the cause, Crusade cannot sometimes be won without big sacrifices.. But yes, deaths happened along the way. Rise to power as the Demon who did get the throne of Alushinyrra, who became the Shadowspawn Mistress, did not happen fully without casualties.. I killed Queen Galfrey at IZ, she had it coming. I mean come on.. You know she did had it coming ever since she took away our Commander title and did send us to Abyss to die, did not clearly expect us to come back.

Miss Arue abandoned me, i became too Demon for her taste. So she declared that and left and never returned. Oh well. Same for Sosiel. Priests.. i saved his brother. Yet, a bit of Demon power play moves and kills at the Abyss.. well, good riddance.

When i killed Queen Galfrey as a rightful payback, it was unfortunate that Irabeth defended her to last breath, i'd have spared her.. so she died also. And thus news reached Anevia on my glorious return, and celebrations turned into a massacre due to most my human Crusaders rebelling or trying to abandon their posts.. forcing my hand to order my new demon army to kill them all as an example what happens to traitors. So Anevia and Seelah died. A bit sad that. But order must be kept.

Everyone else did stick around to the end, and to victory. Daeran, Camellia (who is still around, breaking hearts and living her best life on the road, taking lives here and there), Wenduag (who became Queen of the Mongrels, under my rule of course), Nenio (still crazy and doing experiments as always), Greybor (he did not betray me, he was loyal to the end and became leader of the Assassin's Guild in the Abyss), Amber (still preaching words of kindness, even was with a demon through dark times), they were all there to the end and to victory.

Even after what my character became and what she did. I had some mercenaries to fill in the uhh.. vacant slots for the dead companions. I killed Woljiff as a traitor early on already, after him escaping during the camp assault, cowards like that do not deserve mercy. Daeran was happy to live his new free life without the Other and spends still time simping for my Commander. He is into demon girls clearly. ^^

Finnean's destiny was to forever live as my weapon. I mean.. seeing the world and being an immortal weapon.. Could be worse, right?

Our dear friend Regill was happy finally, to win. He got grey and died with a smile one day. Commander was the one who finally brought the victory he had been hoping for. Salute to our Hell Knight friend. True warrior to the end.

Good friends those who stayed to the end, all of them.

Was it the perfect end? Perhaps not for everyone, but for me it was. It was a happy end in Demon standards. Been playing full vanilla, no mods or anything. Maybe next run will use that one mod that gives more dialog for companions, seemed cool. Only thing better than this game is more of this game. ^^

10/10, would start over and spend 4 hours in character creation and play again..

..and i will, after a break haha. Now that i have the Sadistic Game Design achievement (only 0.8% of players have it, i feel like i am part of the cool kids club now hih), maybe next time i will go for the "secret ending". Love that there are so many different feeling endings and certain plot points, even inside same Mythic path, really cool detail IMHO.

Dear gods of Golarion, please give your Demon Mistress a Pathfinder 3 game from Owlcat soon, and i will promise to behave with minimal amounts of mayhem and destruction. I promise.

tldr: Wrath of the Righteous is a truly impressive and amazing game. Nothing but love for it.

[Dramn]

Also love the game, I just wish it was a bit better optimised and less buggy especially closer to the end, first playthrough was angel paladin "questing knight" and my second was a crossblooded sorcerer gold dragon (with red dragon heritage so I could rp chaotic good).

Reloading ten trillion saves to make sure that crusader #670 doesn't die to random ghoul was definitely an experience on my paladin and after finally getting my fill of good aligned stuff, I'm planning to do a lich playthrough where I might also be somewhat good xd

After a break of course as well<3

[Vertigo]

Wrath is a game that I have a lot of things I both love and hate about it. It has some great writing and attention to detail while at other times struggles to understand basic concepts (like alignment). It has many options for customization but still has lot of "same-y" subclasses. It has an epic story length but also is filled with a lot of unnecessary padding. The characters are memorable for both good and terrible writing.

I enjoyed it enough to do all but 3 mythic paths, so I can safely say I had a good time with it. I had my fun with it for sure.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Dramn:

Also love the game, I just wish it was a bit better optimised and less buggy especially closer to the end, first playthrough was angel paladin "questing knight" and my second was a crossblooded sorcerer gold dragon (with red dragon heritage so I could rp chaotic good).

Reloading ten trillion saves to make sure that crusader #670 doesn't die to random ghoul was definitely an experience on my paladin and after finally getting my fill of good aligned stuff, I'm planning to do a lich playthrough where I might also be somewhat good xd

After a break of course as well<3

That sounds cool, the crossblooded sorcerer for the red dragon rp. ^^

My plan to next time is not go (3rd run in a row as a Demon path enjoyer would make me question my sanity, well more than i already do lol..) again melee, but an Arcane caster Azata, been thinking Sylvan sorceress.. wait, did Azata have that pet dragon or was it some other mythic path? And does it replace your class pet if class has a pet? Or do one then has TWO pets? 2 pets sounds kind of awesome though..

Gonna be fun to play a caster, total change after 2 times of Slayer runs.. :D Alltho Bloodseeker had some cool spell-like abilities with all the blood magics stuff and of course Demon magics then on top of that so not 100% pure melee.

But was fun and efficient.

Gonna play the Sylvan sorceress run fully in turn-based mode. I feel casters as MC feel so much better in turn-based, just my own feel after couple runs, i had a good Sage Sorceress Mercenary, and using her as one of my main party members most times gave an idea what to expect for a Sorceress run as MC.

Everyone keeps saying how fun and cool Azata path is, so will be a nice combo i think.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Vertigo:

Wrath is a game that I have a lot of things I both love and hate about it. It has some great writing and attention to detail while at other times struggles to understand basic concepts (like alignment). It has many options for customization but still has lot of "same-y" subclasses. It has an epic story length but also is filled with a lot of unnecessary padding. The characters are memorable for both good and terrible writing.

I enjoyed it enough to do all but 3 mythic paths, so I can safely say I had a good time with it. I had my fun with it for sure.

Yeah, one kinda must be enjoying a game if does as many mythic paths as you have done. Has to have passion for it at that amount of runs. :)

Yeah i agree about the alignment, there could be a bit better system for it, but the system comes from the table top, right? Or was it modified into that by Owlcat?

There are some things that can see happening that can make it awkward. Like even on Demon run, i had to switch alignment from Lawful Evil (started as such for RP reasons), but to make a deal with Nocticula to gain my next Mythic power level she wanted me to "get rid of all Lawful and Good" so i did have to force myself from Lawful Evil to Neutral Evil, was doable during start-half of Act 3, so it was okay.. (but i feel the game has many NPC that as a Lawful Any are more evil bastards than even some of the Chaotic Evil demons lol), so my MC being able to stay as Lawful Evil and still being able to make a deal with Nocticula would have made sense in RP way, to the game to be more flexible about the system, or more strict in some cases in a way that makes sense traditionally.

But yes, more problematic have been what have read here, trying to keep alignment proper (for RP and functionality) as a Paladin for example, kinda many choices that picks are against common logic how it "should" be from what i have understood. So yeah, the alignment system is not perfect.

But in the massive ocean of awesome things this game has in it to feel one of the most complete crpg experiences i have ever played, for me that is a tiny thing.. could be better yes. Doubt they gonna do anything about it at this point. Hopefully their next system and things that align with the alignment (lol) are better designed for our needs and wishes. On that note, i feel like this game has spoiled me, now i demand same level of gameplay fun and vibe.. but it's hard to find any other game exactly like WotR is.

There are other crpg games, but they don't feel the same. BG3 was good and looks great. Yet i think WotR is the better game overall slightly. Both are great games that everyone who likes the genre should play, so no "one or the other only" type of pick or tribalism. The combat skill/trait/spell variety is just better in WotR, with the Mythic system making it feel very unique.

Some "samey" archetypes yeah, but so many to try that bring nice flavor to someone with only couple runs under the belt still. All i want is a Pathfinder 3 game surprise announcement from Owlcat and i will be like a kid in xmas and instantly buy it. I just want more what this game is. The whole vibe and atmosphere it has, for someone with a vivid imagination who reads books, so fancy cutscenes have not been necessary, just makes me want more.

I have bought many games people have suggested. Like Pillar of Eternity, Disco Elysium, even bought that Spellforce 3 that was recommended, and some other crpgs too. Still, with the joy this game has brought me, i feel everything else are a bit of substitutes.. the need for Pathfinder 3 is real.

I also have Rogue Trader, did buy the DLC season 1 for it also, now waiting for the 2nd DLC of the season, and then i will start the run on it, was supposed to already earlier... but if that adds stuff to the main campaign, would be cool to start then, am i right? ^^

[Crusader993]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Game is a true masterpiece...

True !

No more words are actually needed. :)

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Crusader993:

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Game is a true masterpiece...

True !

No more words are actually needed. :)

Telling me that is like someone trying to fix Camellia and stop the sacrifices.. sometimes there is no fix and just has to accept your friends as they are. ^^

I also can't stop when i start.. the typing of words i mean.

[Crusader993]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

... the need for Pathfinder 3 is real.

Ok, I was wrong... so there was still something that needed to be said!

I agree and predict: Pathfinder 3 will be released sooner or later. WotR has been bought a million times, Owlcat can't ignore that in the long run. There may be other projects in the pipeline at the moment, but as the saying goes: patience is a virtue. :)

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

I also have Rogue Trader, did buy the DLC season 1 for it also, now waiting for the 2nd DLC of the season, and then i will start the run on it, was supposed to already earlier... but if that adds stuff to the main campaign, would be cool to start then, am i right? ^^

Ditto :)

And as long as I wait for RT, I'll continue playing my fourth playtrough of WotR... that'll take at least another 3 months. ^^

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Yeah, one kinda must be enjoying a game if does as many mythic paths as you have done. Has to have passion for it at that amount of runs. :)

Yeah i agree about the alignment, there could be a bit better system for it, but the system comes from the table top, right? Or was it modified into that by Owlcat?

It does come from P&P, but it definitely had its moments due to varied writing. I 100% agree that the forced alignment shift could be problematic at times. I also think it gets into the fundamental issue that alignment is subjective. As I have said elsewhere, i don't know how the game lets a lawful good character be able to romance Cam while she does what she does. It should nuke one's alignment.

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

There are other crpg games, but they don't feel the same. BG3 was good and looks great. Yet i think WotR is the better game overall slightly. Both are great games that everyone who likes the genre should play, so no "one or the other only" type of pick or tribalism. The combat skill/trait/spell variety is just better in WotR, with the Mythic system making it feel very unique.

I never understood the comparisons, especially when one is based on D&D 5e and the other Pathfinder 1e (which is D&D 3.5). Of course 1e is going to have a LOT more in the way of classes. I feel like BG3 put more into the RP though. Characters are a lot more responsive to your actions in BG3 than they are in WotR (especially since most will only leave your party in Act 5 based on your mythic path only). Still, I feel that WotR was designed more around epic battles and customization. They are both good for different reasons.

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Some "samey" archetypes yeah, but so many to try that bring nice flavor to someone with only couple runs under the belt still. All i want is a Pathfinder 3 game surprise announcement from Owlcat and i will be like a kid in xmas and instantly buy it. I just want more what this game is. The whole vibe and atmosphere it has, for someone with a vivid imagination who reads books, so fancy cutscenes have not been necessary, just makes me want more.

They recently did a Q&A where they said they aren't currently, but they may revisit Pathfinder (be it 1e or 2e) in the future.

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

I have bought many games people have suggested. Like Pillar of Eternity, Disco Elysium, even bought that Spellforce 3 that was recommended, and some other crpgs too. Still, with the joy this game has brought me, i feel everything else are a bit of substitutes.. the need for Pathfinder 3 is real.

I also have Rogue Trader, did buy the DLC season 1 for it also, now waiting for the 2nd DLC of the season, and then i will start the run on it, was supposed to already earlier... but if that adds stuff to the main campaign, would be cool to start then, am i right? ^^

Yeah, I got PoE back during the pandemic. PoE2 was the game I had the most hours in before Wrath, and I still look fondly on my time with it (but it was not without issue either).

Wrath is a game I would absolutely recommend to a seasoned CRPG player, but I might advise someone newer to get their feet wet in other RPGs first. It can be hard to navigate if you are new to a lot of concepts (damage reduction, spell resistance, etc), but it is rewarding when you sink the time into it.

I am glad to hear you are enjoying it and I am sure you will have a lot of great experiences on subsequent replays.

[Dramn]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

My plan to next time is not go (3rd run in a row as a Demon path enjoyer would make me question my sanity, well more than i already do lol..) again melee, but an Arcane caster Azata, been thinking Sylvan sorceress.. wait, did Azata have that pet dragon or was it some other mythic path? And does it replace your class pet if class has a pet? Or do one then has TWO pets? 2 pets sounds kind of awesome though..

Gonna be fun to play a caster, total change after 2 times of Slayer runs.. :D Alltho Bloodseeker had some cool spell-like abilities with all the blood magics stuff and of course Demon magics then on top of that so not 100% pure melee.

But was fun and efficient.

Gonna play the Sylvan sorceress run fully in turn-based mode. I feel casters as MC feel so much better in turn-based, just my own feel after couple runs, i had a good Sage Sorceress Mercenary, and using her as one of my main party members most times gave an idea what to expect for a Sorceress run as MC.

Everyone keeps saying how fun and cool Azata path is, so will be a nice combo i think. :Cutecatheart:

Yea I always play in turn-based and a caster dps with Azata is insane, there's a mythic feat(?) called zippy magic, which makes single-target spells hit extra targets and though I never tested it, apparently this works with chain lightning

Also yea azata gets Aivu which I felt was weird at first but quickly won me over and you can indeed have 2 pets. Also Azata is kind of fun with Ulbrig