Zen Archer, and feats help

[Rizilliant]

So, I have always had some difficulty understanding what works with a ZA.. At lvl 9, when you get snap shot, can Seize the Moment, and Outflank work? The way some of it is phrased, it gives the impression that alot of the abilities, or feats, will work while using a longbow. Do effects of abilities like stunning Fist work at all, or is it ONLY the added damage from unarmed that translates?

I just need to know which feats can work.. I am sure my teammates can get the feat benefit, even if Lann doesnt.. But I would rather not waste the the choice, if it doesnt directly benefit Lann

Thank You in advance

[jonnin]

most unarmed only stuff does not work with the bow; there is no stunning shot version of stunning fist. Perfect strike is the 'replacement' or meant to be? Also his bow damage will upgrade kind of like warpriest, same as his unarmed upgrades with levels.

as far as I know the only things the bow gets translated from unarmed are flurry of blows & damage from levels. Everything else is its own specialty feat or ability.

Personally I get level 2 in ZA to unlock precise feat and a few more goodies and then swap him to rowdy for sneak attacks, oodles of feats, vital strike, and take him down a cleaving shot path so he can fire off those lovely vital strike sneak attack shots and kill something, doing that same splash damage to everything in a reasonable radius to the victim. Often he is the keeper of finn in lowbow form, to avoid needing weird ammo or spells to hit everything hard, and often, he is one of my top 3 damage dealers for the whole run.

[Rizilliant]

They really need to better describe these abilities for sub classes. This one in particular, confuses the hell outve me. I tried also building him toward AoO, and aiding his companions in proc'ing AoO, but never really watched for it to work or not.

Ive found Lann to be an incredible archer.. But that can be said for any archer class, I suppose.. I had a nice throwing Axe Wenduag that was pretty badass as well.

Thanks for the help.. He seems to be extremely limited in options, as a pure ZA

[Soul]

Lann for me gets outflank at level 5..... around same time all my other melee gets that feat....it works for him as a pure zen archer

and he's a powerhouse of my team early game

I also get improved critical longbow at level 9 to increase his crit

but stat wise I just increase his wisdom modifier on level up.... and wisdom headband... by level 3 his wisdom as a zen archer is his attack rolls... plus his wisdom gives him more AC to make him more tankier...

and since his wisdom is his attack stat for ranged weapons.... enlarge person has no negative effect since it lowers Dex by 2.... so no penalty to hit.... plus his arrows scale in damage from his unarmed damage....

[Rizilliant]

Originally posted by Soul:

Lann for me gets outflank at level 5..... around same time all my other melee gets that feat....it works for him as a pure zen archer

and he's a powerhouse of my team early game

I also get improved critical longbow at level 9 to increase his crit

but stat wise I just increase his wisdom modifier on level up.... and wisdom headband... by level 3 his wisdom as a zen archer is his attack rolls... plus his wisdom gives him more AC to make him more tankier...

and since his wisdom is his attack stat for ranged weapons.... enlarge person has no negative effect since it lowers Dex by 2.... so no penalty to hit.... plus his arrows scale in damage from his unarmed damage....

I know allies will benefit from Outflank, and Seize the initiative, when Lann has it.. The question is, do they/he get additional AoO, when a crit occurs? (Obviously, only if Lann is within 10ft of the enemy and with Improved Snap)

[Soul]

Originally posted by Rizilliant:

Originally posted by Soul:

Lann for me gets outflank at level 5..... around same time all my other melee gets that feat....it works for him as a pure zen archer

and he's a powerhouse of my team early game

I also get improved critical longbow at level 9 to increase his crit

but stat wise I just increase his wisdom modifier on level up.... and wisdom headband... by level 3 his wisdom as a zen archer is his attack rolls... plus his wisdom gives him more AC to make him more tankier...

and since his wisdom is his attack stat for ranged weapons.... enlarge person has no negative effect since it lowers Dex by 2.... so no penalty to hit.... plus his arrows scale in damage from his unarmed damage....

I know allies will benefit from Outflank, and Seize the initiative, when Lann has it.. The question is, do they/he get additional AoO, when a crit occurs? (Obviously, only if Lann is within 10ft of the enemy and with Improved Snap)

last time I played I remember with him having outflank and other allies meant that his attacks would proc melee to attack as well

like without snap shot line.... his base attack of flurry of blows with longbow can proc outflank to trigger for melee within enemy reach...

but hard to recall much detail.... cause he gets snap shot at level 9 and I replace him with Aru ASAP.... so I dont get much mileage of snap shot with him when he first gets access to it....

basically I reach level 9 by time I clear my way to Desna's shrine in Lost chapel roughly.... and finish those last few fights and the sarkarian ghost fight before Drezen and then a beeline to rescue Aru in Drezen...