Killing off companions "permanently"

[mna99]

I understand there are some story methods that allow you to permanently eliminate potential companions before they enter your party. I've used every one available up to this point (I'm in Act 2). I also understand that some conditions later in the game may allow you to kill certain companions as a part of the story. I'm not patient enough to wait until a later Act to wipe out the companions that got stuck in my party against my will. So, I took matters into my own hands and got every one of my companions killed in combat with Death's Door disabled.

Now I have greyed-out portraits and dead bodies that won't go away. Is there anything I can do to get rid of them once and for all? Do I have to Disintegrate them? I wasn't even planning on learning that spell.

[mna99]

Gorwe eredeti hozzászólása:

But why would you?

What a silly, but intriguing, question! There are many reasons.

1). Because sometimes we can and sometimes we can't! The game lets you butcher some companions when you first meet them, while it prohibits you from even mildly threatening others. Why can you kill Daeran but not Nenio as a part of a story event? They're both obnoxious. They're, you know . . . there. Is there some reason why you can't mistake Nenio for a cultist or just do it because you're a jerk?

Anyway the entire point of this thread was to learn from others that might have attempted the same thing (without necessarily going with Swarm). It's odd that nobody else has actually tried to kill off their own companions on their own terms. Or at least nobody that's posting here. You all know a lot more about this game than I do, but not on this particular subject.

2). Because Evil. I'm playing a Chaotic Evil Pit-born Tiefling Abyssal Sorcerer. He's not the "clever and manipulative" type of evil. He's an unimaginative psychopath that isn't much different, behaviorally, from your typical demon grunt. He'll lie and cheat occasionally, but in most cases he just wants to harm or intimidate others. And by golly the game lets you be that person . . . some of the time. He really shouldn't be leading a crusade against the Abyss.

3). Some other crap that is really just points 1). or 2). restated

Seriously though, sometimes you can just . . . you know, be a Chaotic Stupid Murder Hobo (tm) and wipe out entire villages, and sometimes you can't even think about taking a swipe at a person who is so-obviously recruitable because they've got a portrait and a backstory. Maybe they didn't want people taking swings at Seelah and Camellia so people wouldn't attempt (and fail) to run the prologue solo. Ditto for Lann and Wenduag.

As for this being edgy . . . seriously? It's just being stupid. Chaotic stupid. Sometimes being an idiot is the most fun thing you can do. Why would you nod respectfully to Swarm-That-Walks and everything that comes with it, but not understand why someone might just selectively get frustrated that they're stuck with Seelah and Sosiel? And Wenduag? And Camellia? Though I must admit, I totally whiffed on the option to threaten Horgus Gwerm. Maybe I could have baited her into fighting me.

And why would both Seelah and Irabeth ignore your alignment when they first meet you? You'd think they would sooner kill a Chaotic Evil Pitborn than anything else. They certainly wouldn't agree to work alongside them so casually, no matter what the circumstances. Well maybe not Irabeth anyway. Seelah seems to be a bit of a dingus.

But

We're kind of getting off-topic here. Honestly I'm more intrigued now by the mechanics of how it decides to remove party members. You can remove them by simply clicking an x on the corner of their portrait at the party select screen, but only when they're alive . . . ? Is there some reason why they won't let you dispose of corpse? At least they let you choose how you dispose of Staunton.

[Aliceskysareblue]

you can through story choices
or you can kill them when you first meet them
I keep killing ember or leaving her act 3 quest incomplete, she annoys me

[Antinomy]

I think that a really good RPG allows you to kill every single companion. so that is a valid complain than you cannot do that in half cases.

[Skree]

How i wanted to murder Irabeth two seconds after meetiing her...

[Dryad]

Antinomy eredeti hozzászólása:

I think that a really good RPG allows you to kill every single companion. so that is a valid complain than you cannot do that in half cases.

You can kill most of the companions actually. I believe Seelah is the only one you can't without going Swarm.

Camellia can be killed in Act 3 or in Act 5 during her companion quests.

Wenduag can be killed during Lann's Act 4 quest if you recruit her during his Act 3 quest or during her Act 5 quest, if you don't do the work to keep her loyalty.

Lann can be killed during Wenduag's Act 3 quest or during his own Act 5 quest.

Woljif can be failed to be recruited in Act 1 before the tavern battle, in which case he runs off, or during his Act 4 quest.

Daeran can be killed during first meeting or by talking to him about his secret or during his Act 5 quest.

Ember can be killed upon first meeting (but why would you imo?).

Nenio can be killed by entering the final area of her quest and letting her just die. The corpse will disappear, then you can never worry about her again. Or you could just let her go on her merry way when you first meet her. That's much easier than going to the trouble of doing even a portion of her quest. She'll probably get herself killed off screen at some point anyway.

Sosiel can be romanced if the Commander is male and thus killed by Lich romance sacrifice or just killed when you take the Lich choice during Act 5 when the army is listening to your speech.

Greybor can be killed if you don't hire him or during his Act 5 quest if you made the wrong decisions in his previous quests.

Regill can be killed during the first meeting too iirc and so can Arueshalae after you've finished the Green gates quest.

So yeah, almost all the companions can be killed, without going swarm. I've not taken most of these options in any single playthrough, they're just ones I've noticed you can do.

[Yorae]

I wanted to add even if this is a old thread, you can also kill Camellia in act 1 in another way, when you do gwern family secret, select to kill Horgus (Dont tell you will keep the secret too I think), Camellia will attack you, the rest, is either kill or be killed :D
I myself dicided to kill them on my main playthrough, I didnt like Horgus, had a very bad attitude and specially coming from his background, thou main reason was I was not interested to have her since she gave me bad vibes from the start and I went to check about her, so I will say "my gut feeling warned me to get rid of her, make the world a 0.000000000001% safer place" :D

[Skree]

Yorae eredeti hozzászólása:

I wanted to add even if this is a old thread, you can also kill Camellia in act 1 in another way, when you do gwern family secret, select to kill Horgus (Dont tell you will keep the secret too I think), Camellia will attack you, the rest, is either kill or be killed :D
I myself dicided to kill them on my main playthrough, I didnt like Horgus, had a very bad attitude and specially coming from his background, thou main reason was I was not interested to have her since she gave me bad vibes from the start and I went to check about her, so I will say "my gut feeling warned me to get rid of her, make the world a 0.000000000001% safer place" :D

it is a shame you cannot redeem her.

[ChompyRiley]

Skree eredeti hozzászólása:

Yorae eredeti hozzászólása:

I wanted to add even if this is a old thread, you can also kill Camellia in act 1 in another way, when you do gwern family secret, select to kill Horgus (Dont tell you will keep the secret too I think), Camellia will attack you, the rest, is either kill or be killed :D
I myself dicided to kill them on my main playthrough, I didnt like Horgus, had a very bad attitude and specially coming from his background, thou main reason was I was not interested to have her since she gave me bad vibes from the start and I went to check about her, so I will say "my gut feeling warned me to get rid of her, make the world a 0.000000000001% safer place" :D

it is a shame you cannot redeem her.

Not even Ember can fix Camellia. The only way to redeem her is to kill her.

[Schlumpsha]

Good thing too. Redeeming arcs are boring.

[Skree]

Schlumpsha eredeti hozzászólása:

Good thing too. Redeeming arcs are boring.

Dark urge disagrees.

[Schlumpsha]

Skree eredeti hozzászólása:

Dark urge disagrees.

Case in point.
Dark Urge was boring. Not to mention underwhelming.

[Skree]

Schlumpsha eredeti hozzászólása:

Skree eredeti hozzászólása:

Dark urge disagrees.

Case in point.
Dark Urge was boring. Not to mention underwhelming.

Well... i guess this comes to preferences.

And regardless, i am not sure i would want to redeem Camelia even if given the option.

[ChompyRiley]

John Doe eredeti hozzászólása:

Why do people want to kill Camilla? She's so pure.
Pure EVIL.
Although I do hope she was written better, so the "twist/reveal" is actually a twist/reveal, rather than, "Hello Lady I'm meeting for the 1st time ever, you killed the guy you are standing over, aren't you? And he did 1d4 damage to you even, was it from the dagger or a magic missile?"

I mean the first time it happened to me it was kinda shocking. 'Unrepentant psychopath cannibal murderer that you can't redeem and has been lying to you this whole time who doesn't go 'i was lying at first'' is at least somewhat original, if gross.

[pckirk]

But She is helpful is she not???

[ChompyRiley]

pckirk eredeti hozzászólása:

But She is helpful is she not???

She was helpful. Nice little crutch character without being obvious about it.