Lann tank build

[Etxxu]

Hi!!

I need to change Lann as tank as some users advice me... and Ember to whatever can use haste, Slow, and other buffs and debuffs so I can use certain characters I like...

Could you please tell me builds of Lann as tank by number of levels and why that class and/or archetype? For example: 3 first levels of Monk, 10 next lvls of X and the rest lvls into Y...

Also, I need to build Ember to replace Nenio (I can't stand the repetitive kind of banters or Nenio about "I don't care because it's not science") so I need multi Ember to be able to use Haste, Slow, and other buffs and debuffs that Witchs has not... Excepto is Ember can learn Wizard Spells from scrolls, then I will keep Ember as Witch as I like spontaneous casters

I know its a lot, but please I hope you can help me because this Game is far much bigger than BG2 and NWN2 and the more I read online the more overwhelming It is and the more lost I am...

Thank you so much!!

[Etxxu]

https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/builds/Lann

This tank build is good?

[Cursed Life]

Thats retarded

[Immortal Reaver]

Lann - 1 lvl Witch, Iceplant hex, Lizard pet, Icy Protector Ring. Mage Armor spell and Archmage Armor Mythic ability. You could also dip 1lvl Vivisectionist for Mutagen and Shield spell (though it is 1 minute/lvl).
Rest I would keep Zen Archer, at lvl 6 it gets Improved Point-Blank Shot, and then at lvl 9 Zen Archer gets Snap Shot, so you would have basicaly melee but with way bigger reach to attack enemies.
Another way is to go Druid, Cleric with Animal domain, Hunter or Sacred Huntsmaster and have pet tank instead of Lann.

For Ember if scribing scroll does not cut it, look at Loremaster Prestige class, you can pick few spells from any other spellbooks with that.

[hilburnashua]

I think you mean lizard familiar.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Charmed Life:

Thats retarded

The build? Why?

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Lann - 1 lvl Witch, Iceplant hex, Lizard pet, Icy Protector Ring. Mage Armor spell and Archmage Armor Mythic ability. You could also dip 1lvl Vivisectionist for Mutagen and Shield spell (though it is 1 minute/lvl).
Rest I would keep Zen Archer, at lvl 6 it gets Improved Point-Blank Shot, and then at lvl 9 Zen Archer gets Snap Shot, so you would have basicaly melee but with way bigger reach to attack enemies.
Another way is to go Druid, Cleric with Animal domain, Hunter or Sacred Huntsmaster and have pet tank instead of Lann.

For Ember if scribing scroll does not cut it, look at Loremaster Prestige class, you can pick few spells from any other spellbooks with that.

Zen archer as tank?

Any way Lann can get Monk bonus feat? Because I am reading about the Zen Archer feat and they lose good feats for melee characters

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Zen archer as tank?

Yeah as long as you have Improved Point-Blank Shot (Zen Archer lvl 6 can get it as bonus feat without meeting the requirements), you do not trigger Attack of Opportunity (AoO) with bows, and you do not get any penalities for shooting at somebody attacking you, with Snap Shot you also get to do AoO with ranged weapons (Zen Archer gets it for free at lvl 9).
Zen Archer gets WIS to AC like all others Monks. And Fighting Defensively(FD)+Crane Style works with Bow too.
Outside of active abilities(like Stunning Fist) Zen Archer is basicaly like normal Monk, but with bow.

Until lvl 6/7 (1 Witch+6 Zen Archer) I would use Fists. I would get Witch as 2nd level, it gives 3 AC + 4 AC from Mage Armor, 2 AC more with Icy Protector ring from cleric merchant at Act 1. Mage Armor is great on Lann as he keeps DEX and WIS bonus to AC.
And as feats, get Precise Shot, Dodge, Crane Style, 3 ranks in Mobility skill. Stat boosts at every 4th level would go 1 WIS, 1 STR, 2 WIS, 1 DEX. Do not forget to keep FD active.
You get like 25/27 AC at lvl 2.

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Any way Lann can get Monk bonus feat? Because I am reading about the Zen Archer feat and they lose good feats for melee characters

No way to do that. Zen Archer bonus feats replace Monk bonus feats, and if you want to use bow for melee you really want the Archer bonus feats.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Originally posted by Etxxu:

Zen archer as tank?

Yeah as long as you have Improved Point-Blank Shot (Zen Archer lvl 6 can get it as bonus feat without meeting the requirements), you do not trigger Attack of Opportunity (AoO) with bows, and you do not get any penalities for shooting at somebody attacking you, with Snap Shot you also get to do AoO with ranged weapons (Zen Archer gets it for free at lvl 9).
Zen Archer gets WIS to AC like all others Monks. And Fighting Defensively(FD)+Crane Style works with Bow too.
Outside of active abilities(like Stunning Fist) Zen Archer is basicaly like normal Monk, but with bow.

Until lvl 6/7 (1 Witch+6 Zen Archer) I would use Fists. I would get Witch as 2nd level, it gives 3 AC + 4 AC from Mage Armor, 2 AC more with Icy Protector ring from cleric merchant at Act 1. Mage Armor is great on Lann as he keeps DEX and WIS bonus to AC.
And as feats, get Precise Shot, Dodge, Crane Style, 3 ranks in Mobility skill. Stat boosts at every 4th level would go 1 WIS, 1 STR, 2 WIS, 1 DEX. Do not forget to keep FD active.
You get like 25/27 AC at lvl 2.

So you can tank frontline with a bien? Haha
And those Monk feat Zen Archer lose are a problem?

Then Witch 2/18 Monk? <-----

I thought Crane Style was not allowed for Zen Archer as they don't get Monk bonus feat!! Great if they can have Crane!!

Ok, I am going to do your recommendation for Lann... Thank you so much!!



One other question, guys: at what lvl would you start to take Loremaster for Ember? 10/10 or just a few of Loremaster? (I want Loremaster to get Haste, Slow, and other buffs and debuffs from wizard spell list)

[Cursed Life]

hes an archer, makes no sense as tank

[Immortal Reaver]

Originally posted by Etxxu:

So you can tank frontline with a bien? Haha
And those Monk feat Zen Archer lose are a problem?

Then Witch 2/18 Monk? <-----

I thought Crane Style was not allowed for Zen Archer as they don't get Monk bonus feat!! Great if they can have Crane!!

Ok, I am going to do your recommendation for Lann... Thank you so much!!



One other question, guys: at what lvl would you start to take Loremaster for Ember? 10/10 or just a few of Loremaster? (I want Loremaster to get Haste, Slow, and other buffs and debuffs from wizard spell list)

1 lvl of Witch. I would pick it on second level to get a lot of AC early.
X Zen Archer (at least 9 lvls up to 19 lvls)/1 Witch/ Y whatever class if any (like Vivisectionist)
Crane Style is feat anybody can pick, as long as they have Improved Unarmed Strike (monks get it for free) and Dodge, Monk bonus feat just allows it to bypass Dodge feat Requirement.

For Loremaster, sorry I checked now and you can pick only 1 Wizard spell, then need to choose other things.

[hilburnashua]

Originally posted by Charmed Life:

hes an archer, makes no sense as tank

Legolas.
You cannot kill what you cannot hit.

[canuck250]

The super lann tank build is:
1 level monk, that he starts with, who cares about 1 or 2 lost feats.
1 level witch. For ice plant hex, lizard fam and mage armour spell.
1 level Vivi, for mutagen. Drink dex for more ac and natural armour.
Rest into shifter, first take minor spider and then major dino. On core diff you can hold off on the vivi dip until after the dino shifter level.

Give him the quarterstaff of slip bought from woljif. Crane style feat line to start.

[canuck250]

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Yeah as long as you have Improved Point-Blank Shot (Zen Archer lvl 6 can get it as bonus feat without meeting the requirements), you do not trigger Attack of Opportunity (AoO) with bows, and you do not get any penalities for shooting at somebody attacking you, with Snap Shot you also get to do AoO with ranged weapons (Zen Archer gets it for free at lvl 9).

This is why he works great as a bow using pet rider. Going right into something like demonslayer.

[Etxxu]

Originally posted by Charmed Life:

hes an archer, makes no sense as tank

It does make sensei according to feats

Originally posted by Immortal Reaver:

Originally posted by Etxxu:

So you can tank frontline with a bien? Haha
And those Monk feat Zen Archer lose are a problem?

Then Witch 2/18 Monk? <-----

I thought Crane Style was not allowed for Zen Archer as they don't get Monk bonus feat!! Great if they can have Crane!!

Ok, I am going to do your recommendation for Lann... Thank you so much!!



One other question, guys: at what lvl would you start to take Loremaster for Ember? 10/10 or just a few of Loremaster? (I want Loremaster to get Haste, Slow, and other buffs and debuffs from wizard spell list)

1 lvl of Witch. I would pick it on second level to get a lot of AC early.
X Zen Archer (at least 9 lvls up to 19 lvls)/1 Witch/ Y whatever class if any (like Vivisectionist)
Crane Style is feat anybody can pick, as long as they have Improved Unarmed Strike (monks get it for free) and Dodge, Monk bonus feat just allows it to bypass Dodge feat Requirement.

For Loremaster, sorry I checked now and you can pick only 1 Wizard spell, then need to choose other things.

Sounds reasonable, I will try tomorrow haha! I am going to search Vivi to see how It works to DEX AC


Another thing: dip 1 lvl Monk yo my melee-oriented Cleric would be usefull? I mean... because AC bonus feat from Monk its unarmored and Clerics use armor, so If I take off my armor to get that fear I will lose AC from not having armor, isn't It?

[Cursed Life]

I really hope youre not playing on core